what are we? (8 til 9 am)

I want to say something about this whole pub fight thing.

You see the thing for me is I know we are all worthwhile . I know we are love .

So it doesn't make sense for me to waste time arguing with people about who's kind and who's mean .

I'm here because I love the topic and I love people and that's what I'm going to concentrate on . That's where my energy is going to go .

Fb that was touching thank you my friend .

sa I'm not sure that article fits with this God gave us free will belief you hold .

Talking of which I watch you know , just watch my behaviour . Sometimes I think I'd love to do something . Make a choice , take an action, I don't believe in that stuff anymore though . I just see myself like a person in a movie and I just watch me living my life .

It's lovely though when I see I'm loving someone , and the feelings when we love are so beautiful !

Tom, said ..{hi, btw} - I recognise it as we don't exist as we think we do . I guess you recognise it as we don't exist it's god's plan .

'For now we see through a glass darkly..{ie. concealed info.}; But then we shall see Him, face-to-face'! ..{one of Many passages, that indicate, special 'inspired' insights, into the 'human factor'; And even 'science'!

..If, motivated; You can Always 'Google': Science facts, that the Bible made mention of; Long before 'modern science' knew about it.' .. Cheers!

Do you ever feel like you need to fake understanding of what something is about

 

 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27483541

  

  What Tom's avatar should look like with all that sickly sweet crap about being all love and not really existing, etc.

Hi sa.

I'm not usually into reading copy and paste but your input has been fairly brief .

I was thinking over the article talking about the idea that God and science could co-exist . I guess that my own feeling is that everything is natural (not divine ). I believe that there is a natural explanation for everything .

A couple of thoughts, hawking said that his understanding of how the universe was created doesn't mean that God doesn't exist , just there's no need for him to . God becomes obsolete if everything can be explained through nature , causality .

The other thought I have is nature is beautiful and complex . So it's entirely possible that life and consciousness has extraordinary aspects to it . To the extent people would readily describe the everything as the divine .

I think the whole man in the sky thing is basically us thinking of our parents and putting them in the sky above us.

I'm enjoying you though and wow what a picture . Thank you .

Joseph you find it sweet to state that we don't in fact exist ?

I guess it makes the whole survival instinct thing seems a little out of place .

I guess though people override their survival instinct.

Sometimes I think about the whole flesh versus spirit fight .

I guess to sacrifice one's life is the ultimate conquering of our animal instincts .

I'm approaching my quest for what are we two ways . Just observing and mapping here , documenting what I see when I observe my consciousness I mean , and just shooting the breeze with you guys .

I suppose my views that's have accumulated the two separate ways may differ .

Certainly when I'm observing I'm willing to see anything , even sa's God if he's there to see.

Anyway one or two contributors have said you'll never find the truth but I'm not so sure .

I'm not there yet but I'd like to talk a little bit about what I am thinking right now about the truth . I think I'm making progress .

Okay . Well first of all I hold the position that everything is natural (not divine ). This includes the commencement of the universe and indeed what we are . We just think otherwise because we lack facts and we get paranoid when we agitate .

Secondly we human beings naturally love . When we agitate our minds trying to understand things we become paranoid and lash out . Our relaxed , natural state is to love .

Thirdly there is no free will whatsoever . We can't even control whether or not we end our lives. So in any real sense we don't exist at all .

Fourthly experience is the observer and the observed . A duality becoming a singularity .

I think I'm getting closer and perhaps if my chain of problems and solutions that I'm observing brings me to a clear understanding of what I am I'll write the whole thing here in one go .

I'm almost certain that very few people will accept it as the truth .

However I recall quite a few contributors also saying they believe all we are if anything at all is observation so maybe the ideas I'm beginning to hold won't be so radical after all .

I chatted a little to the guy that sits next to me today . He said that he never worries about anything . That if you are stressed then you are doing something wrong .

I think he's about right . That it's natural to relax . That our natural state is to be calm and to panic or to flood our mind with coping strategies is unhealthy , better to just be .

Be mindful and live in the present moment .

I suppose sometimes once you've accepted the idea we have no control then you're left with a feeling what's the point then ?

I can tell you what I feel the point is . Not what I see as the pony when I observe , just what I feel makes my life worthwhile .

Beauty . The beauty in particular that I think about is the people I love .

And the beauty that I see in them I suspect is basically love.

Love brings bravery , sacrifice , tenderness , charity.

All we truly are and the best we are is love and thank goodness for that .

The thought crosses my mind . If it's true that we have no free will therefore don't exist in any real sense , what does the universe want , why all this activity ?

I guess though it's all basically co-incidence .

 Haha!

  You see beauty in people?

  When we want to avoid seeing the hate in ourselves, we turn a blind eye to seeing it others, so what we project in ourselves we project in others; it's what positive thinking is based on--ignoring the facts by believing in miraculously erasing the 'bad' parts.

Troy 149.
I get that . Trysts has said something similar .

But let me tell you how it is for me . When I don't worry . Relax for awhile . I see such love in myself .

I see this love existing .

I know if it's naturally there in me then it is in others too .

It's probably this love that interests me . That and that the only true choice I can see is whether or not to solve , which isn't about action really only thought .

You posted at 5 past 10.  20 press-ups.

That made me laugh . Dat true !

  Ok, so we rule out positive thinking. Next, what do you call 'love in yourself'? And what do you call 'love in others'? It may very well be a fuzzy feeling one has developed and they feel good in that zone.