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what are we? (8 til 9 am)

forums addicted i used too, sometimes better to take a break
I hadn't looked at Tom's OCD thread before. Now I see the mental handicap he has to deal with.

And there we have it.
OCD
Don't know if toms sexuality has much bearing, but he denies there is any revelence and refuses to discuss the topic. When someone lives in denial, a life of deception contributes to anxiety.
toms obsession with 'what are we' obviously centers around not knowing who he is.
I suspect, I would also, be obsessed, similar to 'Tom'; If, I kept repeating the re-enforcing 'mantra' - 'Everything is Natural'; Implying, that the 'support structure'..{if you will}; Beyond our 5 senses.. {hey, what about the famous '6th sense'!}.. Is negligible. ..N-O-T!!
Once one makes the Required {by the Divine}.. 'Leap-of-Faith' in a Creator- God; My experience and observation, in others, has been; That 'converts' in general; Tend to go, from being in a rather sustantial personal & existential 'Funk'/uncertainty, affecting one's own perceived overall 'Purpose'; To, a happier {quite often, 'all around'}, person; Whom, if they think about it; In a Non-superficial way; They Won't be exclaiming; 'I found God' ..{as if He were overtly hiding}; But, rather: 'God, found Me'!!
Two Scripture verse excerpts, to meditate on: 'For, you have Not chosen Me; But, I have called/ chosen You! ..{implied, I think.. in a pre-mortal context!}.
Also, {semi-related}; 'That which is seen.. were made by that, which are seen Not.' .. And, {can be 'googled' for chapter & verse}; 'Jesus, wept'; The shortest verse in the Bible; And, rather counter-intuitive, at that -- Given that, the 'Triune God'.. arranged for this 'free-will' paradigm .. and, knowing beforehand, how it would All 'turn out'; The 'Good'-and-the-'Bad'! 0:

SA....please learn. To punctuate; normally. You; are obsessed with ; s. You used : or ; 16 times in one paragraph. Sorry to interrupt; carry on.

I get that . Trysts has said something similar .
But let me tell you how it is for me . When I don't worry . Relax for awhile . I see such love in myself .
I see this love existing .
I know if it's naturally there in me then it is in others too .
It's probably this love that interests me . That and that the only true choice I can see is whether or not to solve , which isn't about action really only thought .
Ok, so we rule out positive thinking. Next, what do you call 'love in yourself'? And what do you call 'love in others'? It may very well be a fuzzy feeling one has developed and they feel good in that zone.
okay Troy well I guess there is two ways to answer your question. I'll describe what I see first then secondly I'll guess at what it means.
I see a build up of love, a swell. Then a feeling of powerful love. I wonder if this state is the state the meditators describe as bliss. In this state I feel I want to help. Anyone and everyone. I feel that who I am is love.
Okay so what's going on? I'm not sure is the honest truth. It feels like all life is love. I guess it might be that in becoming totally relaxed I create a vacuum in terms of having zero emotion and the universe fillls this vacuum with love. Pehaps love, like white is all colours, is all emotion.
Maybe I'm just releasing the love chemical that exists within us through my mindfulness.
Whatever the case though I see in my own behaviour that this love I experience is a reality not a delusion. I see myself behaving kindly and caringly.
I know I'm not special. I see in the behaviour of other that they possess this love too. It's who we are this love.

okay thank you Sa.
I'm interested in this idea of peace that you refer to. Your'e saying that through accepting the simple truth that God exists and we have free will that we feel settled and certain.
I guess if that's true then you'd be loathe to relequinsh your religious certainty no matter what evidence is brought before you.
To be honest I can reach a place of peace through mindfulness. I'm here because I'm just interested really and I love the topic and I love the people.
Thank you for keeping the copy and paste manageable and for your continued contributions.

ocd as a handicap. I guess it's probable that if my brain was a little diffrent my life would be too. I'll tell you what though. I have beauty in my life worth a lifetime of pain. Beautiful people that love me. So if I am handicapped I can't complain about it.
I think that there is a concern that able bodied people will look as disabled bodied people as inferior.
My own feeling is what matters is that we care.


What's walking your dog got to do with it? You put down some bounderies on your posting, and you can't keep it. And this kind of multitasking is the worst for your OCD. When walking the dog, walk the dog. You need to keep yourself on a leash.
Kay, now you got Frenchy on your tail. He'll be obsessing for months.
how to be happy when reading some posts ?


does a bunch of mosquitoes deserve fly tox ?
gloss ovaire, Tom