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There isn't much difference then, except I visited the Golden Temple and saw the peaceful side. It was quite beautiful, in all aspects.
fissionfowl wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
My comment was more ambiguous than that. I was thinking about it slightly, since your comment. I thought that music is harder to "objectify" than something like cooking. Incidentally, I don't consider "objective" to imply an absolute or absolute values, because there are no such thing and also, knowledge is highly confirmed and justified belief but that doesn't always mean it can be true because ideas that are held as knowledge are sometimes found to be wrong and we don't have the gift of 100% hindsight and nor can we see everything that happens in the universe. So, objectivity is merely an attempt to be objective, which means that we try to draw in as many factors as possible without expecting to get them all.
Ok that's more reasonable sounding. Personally I think while there is a large objective aspect in music, that's not everything. We are drawn to music that fits our personality. To hold a piece of music as being theoretically and completely objectively 'good' is to say that certain personality types are objectively superior people, which is obviously not true.
But one factor of good music is, perhaps, skill in playing instruments and singing. Is that fair?
I don't agree. If that were the case then a band like Joy division would be making objectively bad music. Or the whole concept of electronic music could be thrown out.
My late younger brother was a musician. He could switch from a Bach fugue to Boogie in mid chord, nearly. I could only play the Jews harp, the bongos and things like the ocarina and the penny whistle, so I fully accept electronic music as being fully legitimate. Having said that, I've bought a very large amount of vinyl over the past five years and I don't think I kept the Joy Division. Didn't like them too much when I had a record shop in the early 80s but I did think they had talent. The very last things I played out of the hundreds of records was heavy metal, which I played the other day. I thought Saxon was absolutely terrible even though they are obviously talented. Just a lot of attention-seeking screeching, so far as I could see. Most rap seems the same in a different way. I thought Motorhead singing Ace of Spades is attention-seeking and boring, most of the others very dull but I rather liked Ian Gillan, although that isn't maybe Metal. Thought he was very talented. I pretty much avoided it all previously, same as I avoid all rap even though I once heard one that was slightly better. When ego comes first and musical or artistic ability a definite second then it isn't music, so far as I'm concerned.
Dec 24, 2021
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#145
Optimissed wrote:
fissionfowl wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
My comment was more ambiguous than that. I was thinking about it slightly, since your comment. I thought that music is harder to "objectify" than something like cooking. Incidentally, I don't consider "objective" to imply an absolute or absolute values, because there are no such thing and also, knowledge is highly confirmed and justified belief but that doesn't always mean it can be true because ideas that are held as knowledge are sometimes found to be wrong and we don't have the gift of 100% hindsight and nor can we see everything that happens in the universe. So, objectivity is merely an attempt to be objective, which means that we try to draw in as many factors as possible without expecting to get them all.
Ok that's more reasonable sounding. Personally I think while there is a large objective aspect in music, that's not everything. We are drawn to music that fits our personality. To hold a piece of music as being theoretically and completely objectively 'good' is to say that certain personality types are objectively superior people, which is obviously not true.
But one factor of good music is, perhaps, skill in playing instruments and singing. Is that fair?
I don't agree. If that were the case then a band like Joy division would be making objectively bad music. Or the whole concept of electronic music could be thrown out.
My late younger brother was a musician. He could switch from a Bach fugue to Boogie in mid chord, nearly. I could only play the Jews harp, the bongos and things like the ocarina and the penny whistle, so I fully accept electronic music as being fully legitimate. Having said that, I've bought a very large amount of vinyl over the past five years and I don't think I kept the Joy Division. Didn't like them too much when I had a record shop in the early 80s but I did think they had talent. The very last things I played out of the hundreds of records was heavy metal, which I played the other day. I thought Saxon was absolutely terrible even though they are obviously talented. Just a lot of attention-seeking screeching, so far as I could see. Most rap seems the same in a different way. I thought Motorhead singing Ace of Spades is attention-seeking and boring, most of the others very dull but I rather liked Ian Gillan, although that isn't maybe Metal. Thought he was very talented. I pretty much avoided it all previously, same as I avoid all rap even though I once heard one that was slightly better. When ego comes first and musical or artistic ability a definite second then it isn't music, so far as I'm concerned.
Okay. I brought up Joy division because they didn't have much technical skill on their instruments when they made their first album. They'd only started learning a year or so earlier I think.
Dec 24, 2021
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#146
fissionfowl wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
My comment was more ambiguous than that. I was thinking about it slightly, since your comment. I thought that music is harder to "objectify" than something like cooking. Incidentally, I don't consider "objective" to imply an absolute or absolute values, because there are no such thing and also, knowledge is highly confirmed and justified belief but that doesn't always mean it can be true because ideas that are held as knowledge are sometimes found to be wrong and we don't have the gift of 100% hindsight and nor can we see everything that happens in the universe. So, objectivity is merely an attempt to be objective, which means that we try to draw in as many factors as possible without expecting to get them all.
Ok that's more reasonable sounding. Personally I think while there is a large objective aspect in music, that's not everything. We are drawn to music that fits our personality. To hold a piece of music as being theoretically and completely objectively 'good' is to say that certain personality types are objectively superior people, which is obviously not true.
But one factor of good music is, perhaps, skill in playing instruments and singing. Is that fair?
I don't agree. If that were the case then a band like Joy division would be making objectively bad music. Or the whole concept of electronic music could be thrown out.
you dont think they are absolute values? WHAT DA? thats AMAZIN
Dec 24, 2021
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#147
darkunorthodox88 wrote:
fissionfowl wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
My comment was more ambiguous than that. I was thinking about it slightly, since your comment. I thought that music is harder to "objectify" than something like cooking. Incidentally, I don't consider "objective" to imply an absolute or absolute values, because there are no such thing and also, knowledge is highly confirmed and justified belief but that doesn't always mean it can be true because ideas that are held as knowledge are sometimes found to be wrong and we don't have the gift of 100% hindsight and nor can we see everything that happens in the universe. So, objectivity is merely an attempt to be objective, which means that we try to draw in as many factors as possible without expecting to get them all.
Ok that's more reasonable sounding. Personally I think while there is a large objective aspect in music, that's not everything. We are drawn to music that fits our personality. To hold a piece of music as being theoretically and completely objectively 'good' is to say that certain personality types are objectively superior people, which is obviously not true.
But one factor of good music is, perhaps, skill in playing instruments and singing. Is that fair?
I don't agree. If that were the case then a band like Joy division would be making objectively bad music. Or the whole concept of electronic music could be thrown out.
you dont think they are absolute values? WHAT DA? thats AMAZIN
Yes I know I'm pointing out the obvious. So what?
Think what are absolute values?
Dec 24, 2021
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#149
B1ZMARK wrote:
As an electronic music person, I’m not sure how to feel about that
Dec 24, 2021
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#150
Thanks to Coolout for deleting all his posts. Perhaps he is gone forever. A fine Christmas present for the rest of us.
why?
If Coolout is gone, who is going to be around to tell me “I hope you die soon”.
I miss that.
I miss that.
Dec 24, 2021
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#154
Ubik42 wrote:
If Coolout is gone, who is going to be around to tell me “I hope you die soon”.
I miss that.
I miss that.
Lol.
Dec 24, 2021
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#155
Ubik42 wrote:
If Coolout is gone, who is going to be around to tell me “I hope you die soon”.
I miss that.
I miss that.
Can I apply for this job
There is a line.
It doesn’t pay well, you just have to do it out of love.
It doesn’t pay well, you just have to do it out of love.
Dec 24, 2021
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#157
B1ZMARK wrote:
Ubik42 wrote:
If Coolout is gone, who is going to be around to tell me “I hope you die soon”.
I miss that.
I miss that.
Can I apply for this job
Sadly you are not qualified for the job. My advice is to keep your current job of beating IMs and making coherent chess topics.
It might be just a mute for a day. I think he was genuinely trying to change. Did he really tell you to die soon, Ubik42?
Maybe they really did it just for a day, to keep Christmas as a family time and friendly for all. Or perhaps he's really Erik's alter-ego? Could be we'll never know.
Star Wars. Palpatine. Darth Vader