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Feb 20, 2008
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In large part yes. Another part of the problem was generated by West Germany insisting that any defence against the Warsaw Pact should be mounted from their border and no territory should be given up without a fight. So NATO massed its troops on the West German border rather than deploying for defence in depth. The Soviet generals knew that was no way to defend and suspected an attack was imminent. They carried on suspecting that until the collapse of Communism. So both sides thought the other was intending to invade when actually neither side intended to do so.
Open Discussion GROUP this dasn't the right place to talk about world war 2 ps:dreamer the serbians are attacking bosnia at killed people that were not muslims!change this to Open Discussion group!
As I see, it the war in ten steps.
1. Second world war caused by german resentment of the treaty of Verseille compounded by the economic recession of the early 30s which allowed Hitler to gain power. Japan's need for natural resourses to fuel developing industry obtained from invading China.
2 Germany retakes the Rheinland and the Saar which had been occupied by France to pay World War 1 reperations. America becomes nervouse about Japanese intentions and beginns economic sanctions.
3. Hitler as he states in 'Mein Kampf' reunites all the Germans in Europe eg Austria and the Sudetenland in Czecoslovakia. Eyes up Eastern Europe for living space for the german people all others to be enslaved or eliminated. Japan makes plans for taking over the countries of asia that have the raw materials it needs, oil from the the dutch east indies etc.
4. German invades and takes over Czeckoslovakia France and Britain aren't ready to take on Germany at this point and do nothing. Emboldened Germanytogether with the USSR Invades Poland they divide Poland between them. France and Britian declare war. The phoney war begins until Germany with there superior equipment, training and tactics kick the British out and defeat France at the same time they invade Belgium, Netherland, Denmark and Norway. As Paris is captured the Italians sign up on the German side which is bad news for the Germans. They try to invade the south of france but are held back.
4. Britain stands alone. Chamberin resigns churchilltakes over. European soldiers sailors and airmen flee to britain to continue the war to liberate their homelands (including my father and uncle who came with their ship from the Netherlands. My uncle died in the Mediteranian aboard his ship).
5 America ring their hands wondering what to do come up with lend lease old first war destroyers are leant and bases given over to American forces in the caribean(repayments for the loan from america ended a couple of years back so Britain didnt get help for nothing).
6 Japan seeing their chance invade launch attack on Pearl Harbour and invade Hong Kong, Phillapenes Malaya, Burma and Dutch East Indies.
7. Germans for some reason declare war on America. Its decided to deal with Germany first. Ammerican forces along with British forces drive the africa corps out of n. africa. american forces learn a great deal about the far superior german military skills. Japan losing ground in Pacific and held my indian and british forces in Burma. USSR hanging in there despite everything and defeat germans at stalingrad, beginning of the end for the german army
8 Italy invaded. Problems with american generals who go for personal glory instead of defeating enemy. Monte Casino.
9) Normandy. Montgomery(a big headed so and so) given command the best general on the western front us bradley second best. Patton a fool. Germans kicked out of france then the other west european countries father goes home minus brother. The Bulge, major cock up. but heald by montgomery. Hitlers last throw of the dice. Berlin taken by the russians. hitler dead. Wilson and roserveldt before him think stalin can be trusted hoho!! Russians take over eastern europe iron curtain etc.
10) Japanese fighting strong but being pushed back on all fronts eventually deciced to finish it all off with the bomb rather than lose tens of thousands of soldiers. good move i think.
That was fun thinking about it. All too simplistic with no dates or references.
Checkers4Me wrote:
When you get the chance, rent "Red Dawn". An invasion is possible (according to the movie)
But we'll always be safe as long as we have Patrick Swayze, Charlie Sheen and Jennifer Grey to protect us! (insert 'eye rolling' emoticon here)
Incommunicado417 wrote: Checkers4Me wrote:
When you get the chance, rent "Red Dawn". An invasion is possible (according to the movie)
But we'll always be safe as long as we have Patrick Swayze, Charlie Sheen and Jennifer Grey to protect us! (insert 'eye rolling' emoticon here)
Very true. Don't mess with the Wolverines
calvinhobbesliker wrote: i have an idea, reasearch your country and tell about it's participation in world war 2. The us was neutral until the japenese attacked Pearl Harbor. Then, we lanted in North africa and helped british beat the Africa Korps. Alongside British and Canadians, U.S invaded Normandy and quickly invaded germany w help from soviet union. we dropped atomic bombs on japan to end the war
"help beat the Africa Korps"? what you mean by that... I know of countries in Africa that fought alongside the British! they were based in Egypt..
Annabelle wrote: calvinhobbesliker wrote: i have an idea, reasearch your country and tell about it's participation in world war 2. The us was neutral until the japenese attacked Pearl Harbor. Then, we lanted in North africa and helped british beat the Africa Korps. Alongside British and Canadians, U.S invaded Normandy and quickly invaded germany w help from soviet union. we dropped atomic bombs on japan to end the war
"help beat the Africa Korps"? what you mean by that... I know of countries in Africa that fought alongside the British! they were based in Egypt..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrika_Korps
So after reading all of the above my idea of watching The World At War looks like the best bet !
I thank you.
Feb 20, 2008
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Chief_Brody wrote:
So after reading all of the above my idea of watching The World At War looks like the best bet !
I thank you.
I reckon so. A very good series.
Why is this topic on the forums, in the first place.
Sharukin wrote: calvinhobbesliker wrote: what's wrong with an american perspective?
Absolutely nothing provided that perspective actually reflects the truth of the matter.
It is often thought by Americans that they "saved" the rest of the world and won the war single handedly. That may well be true in the Pacific where the USA did indeed shoulder the largest part of the burden. However, it has to be remembered that Japan was responding to what it perceived to be US aggression. Right or wrong, the Japanese considered the USA to be responsible for the attack on Pearl harbour while the USA considered that the sanctions it had imposed were intended to help China.
More controversial (and annoying for Europeans) is the view that the USA came to Europe and saved us from the Germans. This may come as a bit of a shock to you but Germany went to war with the USA, the USA did not come to Europe to save us as protector of freedom or some such nonsense. In fact there is good reason to believe that if Hitler had not been stupid enough to declare war on the USA after Pearl Harbour the USA would not have become involved in Europe at all. The USA rendered invaluable aid to us Europeans and we are very grateful but we had already been fighting for over two years before your troops arrived.
The other part that is often hard for Americans to understand is that in the end the contribution of Britain, the USA and many other nations was largely irrelevant in Europe compared to the Soviet contribution. If Russia (the USSR only really started fighting back effectively when Stalin sidelined communist ideals and turned the war into a fight to save Mother Russia) had fought on her own then Germany would have been defeated but it would have taken longer. In effect, we in Britain delayed Hitler's attack on the USSR and the allies (Britain, USA etc.) then shortened the war in Europe, we did not win it. The honour of victory in Europe must go to the Russian people.
So two victors in WWII. The USA in the Pacific and the USSR in Europe.
yes, but the americans, british, and canadians opened up a second front on germany which helped speed up the end of the war and prevent many soviets from losing their lives
we were involved in europe even before pearl harbor. we sent naval supplies, weapons and equipment to anglant to thel the brithish defent against the germant luftwaffe in the battle of britain
ajachi wrote: Okay, if all you Yanks and Brits are done, here's how we were affected. When the war began, we were promised independence by the Brits after the war. Lord Linlithgow went and declared that we were belligerents on the side of the Allies, even without consulting us. Most Indians were against Fascism, but our independence was more important to us. Indian soldiers in the British Indian Army were shipped off to fight someone else's war. Of course, we had people like Subhash Chandra Bose, who realised the maxim that an enemy's enemy is a friend, and escaped to Germany to get help from Hitler, where he got the cold shoulder. He then went to Japan, who were more helpful, and aided the Indian National Army in the Arakkan Campaign, which would have succeeded, but for Truman's bomb. the Yanks were, of course, against us, and the promise of independence was soon forgotten by the Brits, but we fought on and got our freedom nonetheless.
i am indian also, and i know that the British gave up india only because they were weakened by the war. unfortunately, my dad says that he hates england. He thinks that they were mean to india, and i told him that the allies saved india from being invaded by japs, and he asked whether japs would've been nicer than the british
mata123 wrote: Open Discussion GROUP this dasn't the right place to talk about world war 2 ps:dreamer the serbians are attacking bosnia at killed people that were not muslims!change this to Open Discussion group!
world war 2 is not related to politics today, and the only religious things mentioned are the murder of about 6 million jews
and why do you call us yanks
you think freedom is nonsense? that's probably what england thought about the americans before the american revolution. the only reason we fought and won that war was because king george was not giving americans freedom
Feb 21, 2008
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psihrishi wrote: No Germans or Italians Discussimg the topic.. Neither Japs,,? Why?
History is written (and discussed I suppose) by the victors. I suppose it touches on matters of national pride and honour. Maybe WWII is too recent despite being almost 70 years old.
calvinhobbesliker wrote: ajachi wrote: Okay, if all you Yanks and Brits are done, here's how we were affected. When the war began, we were promised independence by the Brits after the war. Lord Linlithgow went and declared that we were belligerents on the side of the Allies, even without consulting us. Most Indians were against Fascism, but our independence was more important to us. Indian soldiers in the British Indian Army were shipped off to fight someone else's war. Of course, we had people like Subhash Chandra Bose, who realised the maxim that an enemy's enemy is a friend, and escaped to Germany to get help from Hitler, where he got the cold shoulder. He then went to Japan, who were more helpful, and aided the Indian National Army in the Arakkan Campaign, which would have succeeded, but for Truman's bomb. the Yanks were, of course, against us, and the promise of independence was soon forgotten by the Brits, but we fought on and got our freedom nonetheless.
i am indian also, and i know that the British gave up india only because they were weakened by the war. unfortunately, my dad says that he hates england. He thinks that they were mean to india, and i told him that the allies saved india from being invaded by japs, and he asked whether japs would've been nicer than the british
Calvin,
It is worth noting that Subhash Chandra Bose tried hooking up with Hitler and then, after being turned down, he hooked up with the Japanese and fought against the British!
I am not India bashing here, just stating a fact. Personally, I love India and have been several times - both for vacation and work.
I'm sorry your Dad hates England. Fortunatly, not everyone is like your dad and, despite any historical grievances, large parts of the world have moved on and made progress.
So two victors in WWII. The USA in the Pacific and the USSR in Europe.
Well said (your whole post).
Thus, the start of the cold war, correct?