Dead Position Detection Proposal

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I just realized there are dead positions where both colored bishops could still be on the board:

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Hikaru vs Magnus just reached a dead position playing live bullet:

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https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/83705987379?classification=

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MakeMeaSandwichWoman wrote:

This sounds like you have a problem with FIDE, not this website. What you are suggesting is not actually a rule in chess. Even in the positions you demonstrate, the players must agree to a draw, or the 50 move rule/threefold repetition must come into play. If you only had 0.9 seconds on your clock, yes, you would lose. In real life, AND on this website. So frankly, the website's implementation is accurate.

It's insane that you would expect a chess website to start making up its own rules in standard chess games. This website receives actual official FIDE events - and you think they're gonna just make up new chess rules without FIDE approval?

If you want this change to happen, go to a FIDE meeting and petition for a rules change to make dead positions into automatic draws.

chess.com does not make chess rules. All other drawing scenarios on this website are FIDE approved. Including timeout vs insufficient material (FIDE Article 6.9)

Dead positions are draws under both FIDE and US Chess rules. If mate is not possible by any series of legal moves it's a draw.

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MakeMeaSandwichWoman wrote:

This sounds like you have a problem with FIDE, not this website. What you are suggesting is not actually a rule in chess. Even in the positions you demonstrate, the players must agree to a draw, or the 50 move rule/threefold repetition must come into play. If you only had 0.9 seconds on your clock, yes, you would lose. In real life, AND on this website. So frankly, the website's implementation is accurate.

It's insane that you would expect a chess website to start making up its own rules in standard chess games. This website receives actual official FIDE events - and you think they're gonna just make up new chess rules without FIDE approval?

If you want this change to happen, go to a FIDE meeting and petition for a rules change to make dead positions into automatic draws.

chess.com does not make chess rules. All other drawing scenarios on this website are FIDE approved. Including timeout vs insufficient material (FIDE Article 6.9)

Actually this site doesn't use FIDE nor USCF rules, even USCF rules do take into account the pieces the other side has. This site only takes into account the pieces on one side, so even if forced mate is possible it declares a draw. I don't have a problem with FIDE at all, FIDE is perfect, if checkmate is possible in any way, the flagging side loses. That's what I'm saying it should be on this site.

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Yo guys guess what? I suggested this and my FIDE insufficient mating material proposal to this site's support staff, and they thanked me for my input and gave me 15 days of free premium membership for it!

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EndgameEnthusiast2357 a écrit :

Yo guys guess what? I suggested this and my FIDE insufficient mating material proposal to this site's support staff, and they thanked me for my input and gave me 15 days of free premium membership for it!

did they change anything tho? Also username checks out xD

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I wouldn't know. Haven't had games end in dead positions yet.