ive had a position like this on lichess and should this also be considered a dead position?
Absolutely not. Both sides can lose their rook or get checkmated. Either side would lose with the rook if time runs out, even if the other side has only a knight! Note that even knight vs pawn endgames can be win with the knight even if it's not an edge pawn:
So if blacks time expires in the initial position, he should lose the game.
I just realized there are dead positions where both colored bishops could still be on the board:
Hikaru vs Magnus just reached a dead position playing live bullet:
This sounds like you have a problem with FIDE, not this website. What you are suggesting is not actually a rule in chess. Even in the positions you demonstrate, the players must agree to a draw, or the 50 move rule/threefold repetition must come into play. If you only had 0.9 seconds on your clock, yes, you would lose. In real life, AND on this website. So frankly, the website's implementation is accurate.
It's insane that you would expect a chess website to start making up its own rules in standard chess games. This website receives actual official FIDE events - and you think they're gonna just make up new chess rules without FIDE approval?
If you want this change to happen, go to a FIDE meeting and petition for a rules change to make dead positions into automatic draws.
chess.com does not make chess rules. All other drawing scenarios on this website are FIDE approved. Including timeout vs insufficient material (FIDE Article 6.9)
Dead positions are draws under both FIDE and US Chess rules. If mate is not possible by any series of legal moves it's a draw.
This sounds like you have a problem with FIDE, not this website. What you are suggesting is not actually a rule in chess. Even in the positions you demonstrate, the players must agree to a draw, or the 50 move rule/threefold repetition must come into play. If you only had 0.9 seconds on your clock, yes, you would lose. In real life, AND on this website. So frankly, the website's implementation is accurate.
It's insane that you would expect a chess website to start making up its own rules in standard chess games. This website receives actual official FIDE events - and you think they're gonna just make up new chess rules without FIDE approval?
If you want this change to happen, go to a FIDE meeting and petition for a rules change to make dead positions into automatic draws.
chess.com does not make chess rules. All other drawing scenarios on this website are FIDE approved. Including timeout vs insufficient material (FIDE Article 6.9)
Actually this site doesn't use FIDE nor USCF rules, even USCF rules do take into account the pieces the other side has. This site only takes into account the pieces on one side, so even if forced mate is possible it declares a draw. I don't have a problem with FIDE at all, FIDE is perfect, if checkmate is possible in any way, the flagging side loses. That's what I'm saying it should be on this site.
Yo guys guess what? I suggested this and my FIDE insufficient mating material proposal to this site's support staff, and they thanked me for my input and gave me 15 days of free premium membership for it!
Yo guys guess what? I suggested this and my FIDE insufficient mating material proposal to this site's support staff, and they thanked me for my input and gave me 15 days of free premium membership for it!
did they change anything tho? Also username checks out xD
About detecting dead positions, I agree that it would be inefficient to check for all possibilities, but detecting basic patterns could be possible. I have an idea for a way to detect a locked pawn structure, but I'm no programmer and I don't know if this is possible, or practical if it is possible. Might be a fun thought bubble though:
To detect an impenetrable pawn structure for white, the program will first see if white can move their pawns. If not, it can detect all the squares that black's pawns control, and then detect all the squares that white's pawns occupy, saving them into some temporary storage and marked with their respective positions (a4, b3, etc.). Then it will see if those squares ever form a line, as in there are eight saved squares a-b that all have the same matching line number (a4, b4, c4, etc.). If there is a line, and the row number for white's king is less than the row number for the line, then it is an impenetrable pawn structure. The same test can then be done for black.
Obviously there are a few locked pawn structures that don't form a straight line, such as the one below. Again, I don't know if this is even possible or practical if it was, but if the square data was available something like this could be done
I feel weird now for posting about something I have no knowledge in
how did you mark the spots with red? and also how do you make arrows on the chessboard you make on forums?