[Feature request] Bots for variants? - Chess Forums - Page 2

KieferSmith

May 23, 2023

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#21

MarioParty4 wrote:

adoquinado wrote:

Dear Chess.com development team,

I love the newly added bots for playing live games: those characters with different levels and play styles. They are very practical to learn and improve, just great!

I was wondering: would it perhaps be possible to get some bots similar to those to play variants? Do the AI engines allow?

I'm having problems to find human opponents (I hardly find, and if so, it takes me ages), mainly because of the timing setup, I believe. I'm aware it's recommended to set 3|0... but being novice, I can't enjoy anything paced faster than 5|5 or so :-(

Thanks in advance. Regards

The only one I would not see possible is Chess 960. The AI would not likely be able to play that.

Otherwise, I think it is good idea.

You can actually play Chess960 against bots, go to Play > Computer, select the bot you want, then under "Type", select "Chess960". This is currently the only variant you can play against bots.

MarioParty4

May 23, 2023

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#22

KieferSmith wrote:

MarioParty4 wrote:

adoquinado wrote:

Dear Chess.com development team,

I love the newly added bots for playing live games: those characters with different levels and play styles. They are very practical to learn and improve, just great!

I was wondering: would it perhaps be possible to get some bots similar to those to play variants? Do the AI engines allow?

I'm having problems to find human opponents (I hardly find, and if so, it takes me ages), mainly because of the timing setup, I believe. I'm aware it's recommended to set 3|0... but being novice, I can't enjoy anything paced faster than 5|5 or so :-(

Thanks in advance. Regards

The only one I would not see possible is Chess 960. The AI would not likely be able to play that.

Otherwise, I think it is good idea.

You can actually play Chess960 against bots, go to Play > Computer, select the bot you want, then under "Variant", select "Chess960". This is currently the only variant you can play against bots.

I did not notice. Thanks for checking.

Martin_Stahl

May 23, 2023

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#23

MarioParty4 wrote:

The only one I would not see possible is Chess 960. The AI would not likely be able to play that.

Otherwise, I think it is good idea.

Any other variant is harder. The engine being used by the bots only supports standard chess and 960. So, the site would need to implement some other engine code that can do variants or completely add additional code to the existing engine to support them.

The former option may not be possible due to licenses and the latter likely would take a lot of resources, for a minimal benefit.

Ziryab

May 23, 2023

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#24

I played losers chess and many other variants against bots on ICC more than twenty years ago. I do agree with @Martin_Stahl that the benefits are less than the resource cost. OTOH, this site is already far down that path. Bots are running amuck. There are hundreds of threads about how to beat this or that worthless bot, none of which (the threads and the bots) are worth your time if you care about getting better at chess.

But, the real value is financial. That’s how chessdotcom measures things. How many members and potential members want to play crazyhouse against weakened engines? Probably far more than Martin believes.

Martin_Stahl

May 23, 2023

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#25

Ziryab wrote:

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But, the real value is financial. That’s how chessdotcom measures things. How many members and potential members want to play crazyhouse against weakened engines? Probably far more than Martin believes.

Variants are already played by a very small subset of members and total games, as I understand it.

It doesn't really matter what I believe. The site has access to existing data and knowledge of the approximate amount of resources that would be needed to implement variant engines and the associated ongoing maintenance.

The variants team is pretty small so I wouldn't think bots are likely anytime soon, if they're even on the roadmap.

adoquinado

May 24, 2023

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#26

Ziryab escribió:

adoquinado wrote:

Ziryab escribió:

Bad ideas get implemented faster than good one. I assume the OP is happy now. This site has more malicious bots that A. E. Van Vogt’s Computerworld.

??!!

Do you mean I am a malicious bot? Am I getting it wrong?

No, not you.

In your OP, you are asking for more bots on a site that has far too many and in too many important roles. As you started this thread in 2019, I assumed that the site would have satisfied your request already. The tendency of the site’s “improvement” is to add bots everywhere.

Crystal clear and uncomplicated game analysis that was data driven has morphed into glitzy bot-managed fluff with numbers that are nearly meaningless, for example.

Bots don’t only play horrendous chess with misguided beginners and offer absurd comments in game analysis, but they also moderate these forums. Bots warn and mute when posters use certain words, except that no one knows the actual list of offensive words (some will surprise you), and many posters employ words that others get muted for using. You don’t even have to type the words. If you quote a post that uses the offensive terms, you can be muted.

I’ve been muted twice for the same word in a quoted post. It is a word that is easy to overlook and has many variants. That same bot, however, is clearly inconsistent or the post you are quoting would not appear.

That comment moderating bot needs to be unplugged.

Thanks for the clarification, Ziryab!

I guess it is a business trend, to automatize all kind of tasks (moderation, etc.)... at the price of lower quality in the service, in order to get higher profits.

Beny_gwb

Oct 14, 2023

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#27

NikkiLikeChikki wrote:

I just want to be able to set up a position and play it against any bot.

You can do that, you know?

Banderasdehoja

Jan 18, 2024

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#28

Banderasdehoja

Jan 18, 2024

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#29

ChessKy538

Jan 18, 2024

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#30

That would be INCREDIBLY hard to make! How would you make Bughouse?

univalebul

Jan 19, 2024

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#31

please add so i can beat sonic fox

karlthemaster

Feb 26, 2024

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#32

you can play varriants on lichess like atomic.crazy house,antichess and horde