New Profile format

chungle

Pertinent information about a player's stats... right there.  No extra clicks.

 

I approve.  Thanks. 

m_connors

I'm not very observant; I don't see any difference. Guess that means it's ok?

chungle
m_connors wrote:

I'm not very observant; I don't see any difference. Guess that means it's ok?

 

I should have posted a screen grab.  Apologies.  I'm speaking about the section of quick stats -- that wasn't there for a long time.  You had to, for a while, click on a variant you were interested in to see...anything really.  For some time they had "total moves" and not much else.  They brought back some needed information, imho of course, and added a spiffy little graph if you like that sort of thing.

 

For a quick snapshot, this is perfect for bullet purposes.  I had mostly stopped checking profiles altogether because the main stats page has too much extraneous information, which is useful for some but is annoying to call up if you're playing 30 opponents an hour.

WarIsMyFatherland

Sadly, it appears that total moves has disappeared, a really cool quick feature. 

Is this in error or intentional?

AlCzervik

in what way is total moves informative? 

Napoleon-Blownapart

its like history, when did Henry the 8th learn to play poker. that’s something of major interest to historians, why is anybody’s guess.

AlCzervik

i was just trying to call mykingdomforanose for the answer to that!

WarIsMyFatherland

The total moves made is no less interesting than your total number of games, your total number of wins, your total number of losses, and your total number of draws....

Why do any of those things exist? Because you have a sense of accomplishment when you hit 1,000 total games or 1,000 total wins; likewise, you have a sense of accomplishment when you hit 100k or 1 million moves.  

... Moreover, any number, any figure, can have meaning. 

Through my total number of moves that I recorded yesterday (115,985) I can actually figure out what my average moves per game is; I can compare this to what other websites have said the average game lasts is, and from that I can understand if I should really consider resigning earlier, or I can have an idea of the average game length of very amateur players like myself versus professionals. 

You could even take the total moves of Grand Masters here and see what sort of discrepancies may exist. For instance, what players tend to have higher average moves per game and which have lower. I could see someone comparing players who tend to play closed, classical positions versus modern ones and seeing the differences in average moves per game. 

I can also more quickly figure out how much chess I played in a month... If I only made 1,000 moves, and I usually see 2k moves go by,  yet my ELO goes up, I can figure out that I really should be playign chess more slowly and deliberately... 


(And if you play multiple forms of chess here -- Daily, Blitz, etc., a total number of moves is much more efficient than tracking the total number of games played.)

... There's hundreds of reasons people can come up with as to why this matters. 

I guess since I grew up a baseball fan and was taught in my science classes that meticulously recording data always can serve a purpose and enlighten, I have always been dedicated to recording the data from what I do, whether it is music (last.fm) or how much I type (whatpulse). 

Even if this data point seems useless to you, it can make other people happy, and serve small purposes in their life.

Napoleon-Blownapart
AlCzervik wrote:

i was just trying to call mykingdomforanose for the answer to that!

that’s quite a radical username!

AlCzervik

you are a 1200 player focusing on if your average number of moves should tell you to resign. 

i agree that data matters. but, only if it can be applied constructively. total moves means nothing. we are both amateurs here. if you are looking for data, total moves ain't gonna help your game.

AlCzervik
Napoleon-Blownapart wrote:
AlCzervik wrote:

i was just trying to call mykingdomforanose for the answer to that!

that’s quite a radical username!

i may have lost a game to that player because i couldn't help staring at that big nose!

Napoleon-Blownapart

focusing on total moves is a good piece of evidence to suggest taking up snakes and ladders instead of chess.

Spacebux

Still a far cry from what we had access to in V2... meh.png

WarIsMyFatherland
AlCzervik wrote:

you are a 1200 player focusing on if your average number of moves should tell you to resign. 

i agree that data matters. but, only if it can be applied constructively. total moves means nothing. we are both amateurs here. if you are looking for data, total moves ain't gonna help your game.

 

Lol, sure.

I don't care if it doesn't help my game. Believe it or not but this is something I generally do to relax -- it's like bowling, right. I like bowling, and I would like to be a better bowler, but I am not going to buy a bowling ball & sign up for bowling lessons. I'm here for a laugh, and I like the 'total moves' number for the same reason other people like post counts. I feel like my recreational activity is being quantified and that's fun. 

The total number of games I have won/loss/drawn does not help my game, either. Someone can have an identical number to me, but have an ELO that is much higher because of who they were playing. 

The number of tactics I have solved (another number provided) is irrelevant as well. 

In-game trophies; in-game tournaments; in game awards; flares; how many page views my profile has, and a statistical breakdown of my wins/losses/draws in tournament games will not improve my chess. 

But they are all here because people like these features. 

I don't really like the idea of playing 4-way chess, and I don't really like Bullet. But other people do -- and I hope that these features are kept. 

But sure, Al.  I'd like to hear more about how you don't care about this number. wink.png Maybe I, too, can one day be this zen and above caring. Tell me what I got to do to be more like you. 

M_Erodotou

Was the player history removed too? I played someone who I played in the past multiple times but I cant see our total score anymore. is this somewhere else?

Napoleon-Blownapart

lots of totally irrelevant things are fun, what is the world coming to ?

Martin_Stahl
M_Erodotou wrote:

Was the player history removed too? I played someone who I played in the past multiple times but I cant see our total score anymore. is this somewhere else?

 

Yeah, that's gone, but pretty sure it is a bug and will come back.

AlCzervik
WarIsMyFatherland wrote:
AlCzervik wrote:

you are a 1200 player focusing on if your average number of moves should tell you to resign. 

i agree that data matters. but, only if it can be applied constructively. total moves means nothing. we are both amateurs here. if you are looking for data, total moves ain't gonna help your game.

 

Lol, sure.

I don't care if it doesn't help my game. Believe it or not but this is something I generally do to relax -- it's like bowling, right. I like bowling, and I would like to be a better bowler, but I am not going to buy a bowling ball & sign up for bowling lessons. I'm here for a laugh, and I like the 'total moves' number for the same reason other people like post counts. I feel like my recreational activity is being quantified and that's fun. 

The total number of games I have won/loss/drawn does not help my game, either. Someone can have an identical number to me, but have an ELO that is much higher because of who they were playing. 

The number of tactics I have solved (another number provided) is irrelevant as well. 

In-game trophies; in-game tournaments; in game awards; flares; how many page views my profile has, and a statistical breakdown of my wins/losses/draws in tournament games will not improve my chess. 

But they are all here because people like these features. 

I don't really like the idea of playing 4-way chess, and I don't really like Bullet. But other people do -- and I hope that these features are kept. 

But sure, Al.  I'd like to hear more about how you don't care about this number.  Maybe I, too, can one day be this zen and above caring. Tell me what I got to do to be more like you. 

in one post you write how you can figure things out with total number of moves and in this reply you contradict yourself.

i really don't care what you do. i was responding to your statements of how total moves *helps*-hundreds of reasons, you wrote. 

52yrral

Good to know it's coming back!

Also thanks to the techies for fixing the Puzzle bug!

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WarIsMyFatherland
AlCzervik wrote:

in one post you write how you can figure things out with total number of moves and in this reply you contradict yourself.

i really don't care what you do. i was responding to your statements of how total moves *helps*-hundreds of reasons, you wrote. 

 

But even in your first snarky reply to me, the implication is that it would not help me as a 1200 player. You have conceded that these things are potentially useful, and that they do serve a purpose. 

You also never addressed how, say, having your total wins/losses/draws would make any sense as a feature from the perspective that it does not make anyone a better chess player to know this raw data either. 

Moreover, by pointing out that there are multiple reasons to have a feature, I am not contradicting myself in the slgihtest. I am pointing out that there are many reasons as to  why people would want this. 

You haven't really thought this out much & are just trying to give people a hard time in the forums.

But please do reply; I would like to know what you think about this and if you have any tips on how I can stop  caring and bear the halo of disinterest so well like you do. I could really use to zen out next to the water like you. How do I do that?