The issue is, there are many stallers, and there wont be a counter if autoresign is removed. What if someone plays 3 moves, and stops playing for 10 minutes?
One of four things.
They will continue not playing, for an unknown amount of time.
They will resume playing on move 4 at 11 minutes.
They will resign.
They will offer a draw.
The game is REALLY fun but I cannot do chess with people stalling me
The game is REALLY fun but I cannot do chess with people stalling me
No stallers are allowed to play if they would stop being a weird person.
The issue is, there are many stallers, and there wont be a counter if autoresign is removed. What if someone plays 3 moves, and stops playing for 10 minutes?
What if I make 11 moves and stop playing for 10 minutes?
What if I make 11 moves and stall out the clock in a 30 min game?
What if I make one move every so often just enough to not auto-resign, but enough to troll you?
See, the current system doesn't prevent stalling at all. It just delays the possibility to stall until a certain move. If someone stalls just report them and move on. I know the site has the ability to detect when people stall out the clock until the end because I've seen people get warned immediately after the game for it.
The reality is, it's my time and I should be able to use it. If what I decide to do with it is wrong, you'll win, get the points, report me/block me, move on to the next game. The reality is you'll get stallers no matter what the site tries to do to prevent it - I have been on that side before - but the site needs to come up with a new way to prevent stalling that doesn't involve rushed decisions by those people who are just trying to play the best game they can.
This at least reduces stallers, even if it doesnt eliminate it completely
Chess, by design, is a game of stalling.
Except for speed chess or something, taking a huge amount of time to move (or not move) is how chess works. It's an extremely slow board game.
There are lots of examples of grandmasters taking over an hour for one move. Even before move 10. I understand the problem of stalling, but chess is a game of stalling. So it shouldn't come as any surprise that people take their time to move (or not move). People who are slow aren't wasting your time (your time isn't being run down, theirs is).
So the original poster had a valid point. If he finds himself in difficult or complex position at around move 10 (or any move) it should be his perogative to sacrifice some time in order to obtain a better position. It's very common for players to do that, so that at the end of the game the opposite happens. The opponent (who played quickly in the beginning) now finds himself with lots of time, but at a positional disadvantage. There is more to chess than just moving fast.
I only play well when I go slow. I've had people accuse me of stalling and it's upsetting. If I play a 30 minute game I will invariably use all thirty minutes and there will be some three or four minute moves in there. If I play this way I have more success and I also learn a lot as opposed to if I make quick unconsidered moves. I don't know why people get upset. If they want a fast game there are the blitz and bullet games. Go figure.
For every 10 stallers I face, I see one deep thinker that eventually moves. My guess is that statistic holds across the site's users. So there is a balance to be struck.
In terms of my own play, I quit as soon as I see that the game will no longer be fun anymore. That's my morality. Other players fight it out with a lone king against 4 queens. I don't support their morality. I think these players are at worst seeking to waste my time and at best hungry like a wolf for a couple of extra ELO points. But you pay your penny and you can keep playing until your opponent checkmates you --- those are the rules.
Yeah, I'll usually resign if there's no chance for me. I don't like when people try to waste time in those situations, but if I signed up for a 10 minute game then I just accept that's what I signed up for. There's always that risk. I've been there in OTB tournaments too which is even worse because you just have to sit there and play it out.
I only play well when I go slow. I've had people accuse me of stalling and it's upsetting. If I play a 30 minute game I will invariably use all thirty minutes and there will be some three or four minute moves in there. If I play this way I have more success and I also learn a lot as opposed to if I make quick unconsidered moves. I don't know why people get upset. If they want a fast game there are the blitz and bullet games. Go figure.
That's exactly how I play in OTB tournaments. I'll use the full 2 hours every time and in a game of chess you're entitled to do that. I've been accused of stalling online after thinking for a long time down a minor just to come up with a long shot plan to win.
Alright I'm gonna forget I ever read this conversation. OP is right. Chess.com fix it pls.,
Silly idea anyway in bullet and blitz. If your opponent wants to carry on stalling or whatever they're only running down their own clock, or they're going to flag. Can't wait five minutes? Lol. Get a grip. If you're talking about people aborting on move 2 or whatever, you can report that as unsportsmanlike, right? - But there's the easy fix... you shouldn't be able to abort a rated game after the first move without suffering the loss. Oh, you don't like 1d4? Then you don't like chess. Don't play.
Silly idea anyway in bullet and blitz. If your opponent wants to carry on stalling or whatever they're only running down their own clock, or they're going to flag. Can't wait five minutes? Lol. Get a grip. If you're talking about people aborting on move 2 or whatever, you can report that as unsportsmanlike, right? - But there's the easy fix... you shouldn't be able to abort a rated game after the first move without suffering the loss. Oh, you don't like 1d4? Then you don't like chess. Don't play.
You already cant abort after the first move iirc
Resigning is extremely common in chess. It's only natural that at some point, if you don't resign, someone else will do it for you. The time on your clock isn't there for you to use as you like. So, those who are entitled to your time are also entitled to resign for you.
The solution is pretty simple, if you don't want to auto resign, use less of your time.
Um... no. Your time is, literally, your time, and it is there for you to use as you like.
Well chess.com disagrees with you. If your time was literally your time, to use as you like, then this rule would not exist. If someone wanted to think for a long time on a certain move, they could. But since your time is not literally your time, that is not allowed.
So someone else uses your time as they see fit, not you. That is the whole point of this topic.
Resigning is extremely common in chess. It's only natural that at some point, if you don't resign, someone else will do it for you. The time on your clock isn't there for you to use as you like. So, those who are entitled to your time are also entitled to resign for you.
The solution is pretty simple, if you don't want to auto resign, use less of your time.
Um... no. Your time is, literally, your time, and it is there for you to use as you like.
Well chess.com disagrees with you. If your time was literally your time, to use as you like, then this rule would not exist. If someone wanted to think for a long time on a certain move, they could. But since your time is not literally your time, that is not allowed.
So someone else uses your time as they see fit, not you. That is the whole point of this topic.
Um. Yeah, the point of this post is that chess.com should NOT force auto resign, because in ACTUAL CHESS your time is yours, to do with as you see fit. So your whole "the time on the clock isnt there for you to use as you like" is 100% wrong in real chess. You see how its wrong, right? chessmasters can take huge amounts of time thinking of moves, and chess.com should not force people to play any differently than they would play in real life.
Yes. I agree, on every point.
Just have a button that pops up, that says: Are you still here? and if you press it, it doesn't make you resign.
Just have a button that pops up, that says: Are you still here? and if you press it, it doesn't make you resign.
I was in a 10|0 arena yesterday on move 8 in a complicated position that was a novelty to me and I was forced to make a move with 1 second before auto resign. Turns out it wasn't the best move at all. After the game, I sat there for a few minutes back on that position and found the best move. If I would have been able to sit and think with only hitting a button I probably would have been better off in the middle game.
100% agree with this suggestion.
Just have a button that pops up, that says: Are you still here? and if you press it, it doesn't make you resign.
I was in a 10|0 arena yesterday on move 8 in a complicated position that was a novelty to me and I was forced to make a move with 1 second before auto resign. Turns out it wasn't the best move at all. After the game, I sat there for a few minutes back on that position and found the best move. If I would have been able to sit and think with only hitting a button I probably would have been better off in the middle game.
100% agree with this suggestion.
If it was the alert, it's a bug. You can use up to half the base time control to make any move before move 10 is completed, other than your first move. As long as you weren't thinking that long, you should have been fine to continue calculating.
Just have a button that pops up, that says: Are you still here? and if you press it, it doesn't make you resign.
I was in a 10|0 arena yesterday on move 8 in a complicated position that was a novelty to me and I was forced to make a move with 1 second before auto resign. Turns out it wasn't the best move at all. After the game, I sat there for a few minutes back on that position and found the best move. If I would have been able to sit and think with only hitting a button I probably would have been better off in the middle game.
100% agree with this suggestion.
If it was the alert, it's a bug. You can use up to half the base time control to make any move before move 10 is completed, other than your first move. As long as you weren't thinking that long, you should have been fine to continue calculating.
Yeah, it was the alert in the bottom right corner of the screen. I've never let it go past the count down out of fear I'd lose, but I'll try that next time. Thanks for the clarification.
The issue is, there are many stallers, and there wont be a counter if autoresign is removed. What if someone plays 3 moves, and stops playing for 10 minutes?