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It didn't sound like random notes the way jazz or a guitar solo sounds, it sounded like a coherent thought, like every note fit together in perfection the way that a timeless classic sounds, the type of music people spend their lives trying to write and never do - the type of music you search the radio for and usually don't find - that's what it sounded like, it was not random notes a 3rd graded could randomly choose on a keyboard. How retarded do you think I am, how retarded do you think the world is? 
Didn't you read what I said earlier? I diagnosed a random person with a rare tropical parasite out of nowhere based on no information using the same technique. This is not a random outcome we're talking about. Randomness does not exist, technically. You don't even have to take my word for it - you can do it yourself, everyone can. Except... you have to be a) capable of suspending judgment long enough to try it, which is a major obstacle, b) you have to be able to go into a transcendental meditative state (i.e. prayer), where you essentially pray for a particular outcome. And that's all, it is that simple. If you can do those 2 things... then you don't have to take my word for this, you can prove it to yourself.

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ibrust wrote:

It didn't sound like random notes the way jazz or a guitar solo sounds, it sounded like a coherent thought, like every note fit together in perfection the way that a timeless classic sounds, the type of music people spend their lives trying to write and never do - the type of music you search the radio for and usually don't find - that's what it sounded like, it was not random notes a 3rd graded could randomly choose on a keyboard. How retarded do you think I am, how retarded do you think the world is? 
Didn't you read what I said earlier? I diagnosed a random person with a rare tropical parasite out of nowhere based on no information using the same technique. This is not a random outcome we're talking about. Randomness does not exist, technically. You don't even have to take my word for it - you can do it yourself, everyone can. Except... you have to be a) capable of suspending judgment long enough to try it, which is a major obstacle, b) you have to be able to go into a transcendental meditative state (i.e. prayer), where you essentially pray for a particular outcome. And that's all, it is that simple. If you can do those 2 things... then you don't have to take my word for this, you can prove it to yourself.

I didn't say like a 3rd grader. Jazz and guitar solos do not sound like random notes...that's the whole point. This just shows that you didn't even understand what I said, or why the pentatonic scale works well that way...or probably anything about the math behind harmonics, the Circle of 5ths, etc. Under what circumstances was this music written? Was it completely on your own, or did some "guru" tell you the method for randomizing the notes you were playing? Because it would not be the first time this method of using the pentatonic scale was used to hoodwink someone into believing they were touched by the divine through the medium of some shyster.

Go ahead, post a YouTube with some kind of provenance that at least attempts to show you actually wrote this music, and then let people hear your masterpiece. If it's such a miracle, you should be sharing it, for the glory of whomever, right?

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ibrust, could I ask you what your profile picture is? Is it a rat?

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It's a rat

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ibrust wrote:

It didn't sound like random notes the way jazz or a guitar solo sounds, it sounded like a coherent thought, like every note fit together in perfection the way that a timeless classic sounds, the type of music people spend their lives trying to write and never do - the type of music you search the radio for and usually don't find - that's what it sounded like, it was not random notes a 3rd graded could randomly choose on a keyboard. How retarded do you think I am, how retarded do you think the world is? 
Didn't you read what I said earlier? I diagnosed a random person with a rare tropical parasite out of nowhere based on no information using the same technique. This is not a random outcome we're talking about. Randomness does not exist, technically. You don't even have to take my word for it - you can do it yourself, everyone can. Except... you have to be a) capable of suspending judgment long enough to try it, which is a major obstacle, b) you have to be able to go into a transcendental meditative state (i.e. prayer), where you essentially pray for a particular outcome. And that's all, it is that simple. If you can do those 2 things... then you don't have to take my word for this, you can prove it to yourself.

I didn't say like a 3rd grader. Jazz and guitar solos do not sound like random notes...that's the whole point. This just shows that you didn't even understand what I said, or why the pentatonic scale works well that way...or probably anything about the math behind harmonics, the Circle of 5ths, etc. Under what circumstances was this music written? Was it completely on your own, or did some "guru" tell you the method for randomizing the notes you were playing? Because it would not be the first time this method of using the pentatonic scale was used to hoodwink someone into believing they were touched by the divine through the medium of some shyster.

Go ahead, post a YouTube with some kind of provenance that at least attempts to show you actually wrote this music, and then let people hear your masterpiece. If it's such a miracle, you should be sharing it, for the glory of whomever, right?

Jazz and guitar solos aren't random notes, neither rhythmically nor melodically.

Demoing this would require me having recording equipment and an instrument, which I don't currently have. However... I don't think if I went to the trouble of recording and posting the song it would actually convince you, you'd probably just say I wrote the song myself or ripped it off and posted it. The only way you will ever believe any of this is if you do it yourself. Therefor I encourage you, if you actually care to know what you're talking about, to do your research and experiment. Most people usually start with the Tarot. So buy a book on it and start there, that would be my advice. It is extremely easy to divine something with the tarot, you literally just pray... ask a question, and then draw the card to receive the answer. You could actually do it now online if you wanted to do it. Now... you will have to use your intelligence to penetrate through alot of symbolism and superstitious dogma in order to get to the essence of what the system is about, but I believe you are capable of doing that. And I'd like to point out that many well known musicians who you already know - who you might already listen to - have done what I'm describing, and similar things. Jimmy Page is the most obvious example, he owned an occult bookstore, it was his main interest other than guitar... But Jim Morrison did the same thing, he was influenced by James George Frazer... Black Sabbath have songs openly about Aleister Crowley. Most popular 60s or 70s bands did this. Fleetwood mac, the Rolling Stones. And they usually made it obvious - they'd often mention it in their music.

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How did we get here?

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PennsylvanianDude wrote:

How did we get here?

I took the bus

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Yo me too

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ibrust wrote:

Jazz and guitar solos aren't random notes, neither rhythmically nor melodically.

Yes, that is obvious from what I said about being in the right key and using the pentatonic scale. 

Demoing this would require me having recording equipment and an instrument, which I don't currently have. However... I don't think if I went to the trouble of recording and posting the song it would actually convince you, you'd probably just say I wrote the song myself or ripped it off and posted it. The only way you will ever believe any of this is if you do it yourself. Therefor I encourage you, if you actually care to know what you're talking about, to do your research and experiment. Most people usually start with the Tarot. So buy a book on it and start there, that would be my advice. It is extremely easy to divine something with the tarot, you literally just pray... ask a question, and then draw the card to receive the answer. You could actually do it now online if you wanted to do it. Now... you will have to use your intelligence to penetrate through alot of symbolism and superstitious dogma in order to get to the essence of what the system is about, but I believe you are capable of doing that. And I'd like to point out that many well known musicians who you already know - who you might already listen to - have done what I'm describing, and similar things. Jimmy Page is the most obvious example, he owned an occult bookstore, it was his main interest other than guitar... But Jim Morrison did the same thing, he was influenced by James George Frazer... Black Sabbath have songs openly about Aleister Crowley. Most popular 60s or 70s bands did this. Fleetwood mac, the Rolling Stones. And they usually made it obvious - they'd often mention it in their music.

Assumptions really do seem to be your main problem.

I have owned a Tarot deck since 1987. It's an exercise in confirmation bias. You flip the cards, then construct a narrative to fit your reading. Just like Astrology, palm reading, etc. the "signs" and meanings of the randomizer in play matter little, only that their "meanings" are vague enough to allow you to interpret something you wish for (or fear).

Luckily or unluckily for you, discussing the Tarot is not considered "religious" anymore (because the Tarot has been so thoroughly debunked that it modern times it falls under "things that magically appeal to suckers"). So allow me to explain, since it's not against the guidelines...

Let's take The Hanged Man...here are the possible interpretations of just that one card:

General Upright Interpretations

Surrender and Letting Go: A call to release control and accept what cannot be changed.
Emphasizes trust in the process of life.

Perspective and Insight: Encourages looking at a situation from a different angle or seeing things in a new light. Suggests gaining wisdom through reflection or sacrifice.

Sacrifice for Growth: Represents the need to make a personal sacrifice for a greater good or spiritual advancement.

Pause and Suspension: Indicates a period of waiting, stillness, or inaction, which can be necessary for deeper understanding.

Spiritual Awakening: Often linked to enlightenment or a shift in consciousness.
Reflects breaking away from societal norms or old habits.

General Reversed Interpretations

Resistance to Change: Suggests the querent is avoiding necessary sacrifices or clinging to old perspectives. May indicate fear of letting go.

Stagnation or Delay: Points to feeling stuck or unable to move forward.
Could represent procrastination or lack of progress.

Missed Opportunities: Suggests that insight or wisdom is being overlooked.
Warns against failing to see the bigger picture.

Selfishness or Ego: Highlights an unwillingness to make sacrifices or prioritize others.
Can signify self-centeredness blocking growth.

Involuntary Pause: Indicates a suspension caused by external circumstances rather than intentional reflection.

Symbolic Meanings

Spiritual Growth: The Hanged Man often signifies a transformative period, even if it feels uncomfortable or involuntary.

Sacrifice and Redemption: Some associate it with martyrdom or the notion of giving up something valuable for a higher purpose.

Rebirth and Transition: Reflects a liminal space where new beginnings are formed.
 
In Specific Contexts

Love and Relationships:

Upright: Encourages patience, self-reflection, and a new perspective on a relationship.

Reversed: Suggests stagnation, a one-sided relationship, or fear of commitment.

Career and Finances:

Upright: Indicates a pause to reconsider goals, priorities, or strategies.

Reversed: Warns against indecision or missed opportunities for growth.

Health and Wellness:

Upright: Suggests a need for rest and reflection to gain clarity about health matters.

Reversed: Points to ignoring necessary self-care or feeling trapped in unhealthy habits.

Spiritual Guidance:

Upright: Calls for surrendering to spiritual insights and embracing transformation.

Reversed: Suggests resistance to spiritual growth or clinging to old beliefs.

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So....the definitions are soo incredibly broad that you can create a thousand narratives, and it doesn't matter what you or the person being read tells you are the circumstances. You can find something in your mind that will fit. Even if you get stuck, you can just say to the chump...er. person being read...that the answer has "already happened and will reveal itself to you" (which is code for: "something will happen to you soon that you will connect to this because of confirmation bias'), or switch gears and say that it's a metaphor for something else one level removed, which just makes things even more vague.

It's bad enough that people misuse the Tarot willfully. Actually believing it is worse in many ways. It robs you of agency in your decisions, and gives you fear or hopes that are completely out of line with reality.

I will make you a "Tarot" mechanism right on the spot:

One regular 6-sided die and a penny. Heads is..."potential and positivity", tails is..."choices and navigation".

The die rolls:

1 - Relationships and family

2 - Career and growth

3 - Health and wellness

4 - Purpose and path

5 - Mysteries and portents

6 - Taylor Swift (roll again for a number 1-5 for her reading, if you get Taylor Swift 3 times in a row, give away all your money to the person who taught you how to do this and devote yourself to a life of meditation).

Now roll your die and flip your coin. The narratives will write themselves in your head...*exactly* like a Tarot reading but with slightly fewer choices. I added Taylor Swift so you can market this to Swifties exclusively. You're welcome.

Don't forget your get out of jail free card...if they come back and say the reading was wrong or the prediction didn't happen, accuse them of either successfully dodging the bad outcome with your insightful help, or subtly blame them for not making the right choices carefully and thereby missing the good outcome.

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I just used some cards I had around the house to tell my fortune. I've got a hot date coming up, it would seem, by candle light in the dining room with a woman dressed in scarlet.

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This has veered far from the original topic. And many posts are more along the lines of personal attacks than constructive criticism.

Locking topic. And muting a few for a day, or so.

Cheers.

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