not a bad idea, you will still have a few do this, but it won't be common.
Eradication of Cheating on Chess.com
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I don't know. That would either lower the cheating community or make the cheating community make a less detectable cheat engine. It will definitely lower Chess.com's intake of free players and may not be worth it for them. May be an IP ban would be better? I don't know what do you guys and gals think?
ip bans are a thing of the past.. too many free wifi places to go.. and anyone with a brain can change their ip in less than 2 minutes.
Your talking about economic blackmail; I LIKE IT. Make the penalty progressively higher, so staff can say, "Its his 3rd time cheating"-- it will now cost him $350 for an account.
No, I like the blackmail label; Its a step in the right direction towards eradicating cheating. It won't solve it all, but its good.
no no no... there is no posting of a fee upon registry in my plan. the account you make is still 100% free, provided you dont abuse the facility chess.com has provided for the comunity's entertainment. you only get charged and have your account deleted if you have been caught cheating.
The1899Club wrote:
What makes you think they do not IP ban now?
soem people create different ip adresses than their normal one
cROOKed_KNIGHT wrote:
no no no... there is no posting of a fee upon registry in my plan. the account you make is still 100% free, provided you dont abuse the facility chess.com has provided for the comunity's entertainment. you only get charged and have your account deleted if you have been caught cheating.
Yes, it's still free, but your solution makes it much more complicated for someone to create an account on chess.com. Every day there are people who just heard about chess.com, and create a free account just to try it out. If they were in the process of creating an account, and were asked for their credit card information, you can imagine how many people would just quit, and maybe go find another chess site that doesn't ask for credit card information.
So anyway, my point is, it makes chess.com lose potential customers, and so I doubt that chess.com would implement something like it.
I don't think this is legal, also, it will probably create tons of legal issues for chess.com.
The credit card requirement will also drastically cut down on the number of players coming to the site, they will simply go to any other free chess site.
Also you probably have encountered cheaters, because they are present at all levels. Just because an engine is 3000 doesn't mean that there are only cheaters at very high ratings. People can cheat one game then play like a 1000 the next game and therefore keep their rating low. People can also cheat on a few moves and it look relatively normal.
Agreed; I'm refering to the staff that has been here for a long time. They know all the tricks about, IP addresses, disposable accounts, fake user names. Anything negative that the liars and cheaters use to destroy this site. In life, you will be judged on what you can build, not what you can destroy.
thats why they would put an explanation of why credit card information is required right next to that area.. and people would be like, sweet no one can cheat against me here.
and there is no legal concern if each person agrees to the stipulated terms upon registry.
cROOKed_KNIGHT wrote:
thats why they would put an explanation of why credit card information is required right next to that area.. and people would be like, sweet no one can cheat against me here.
... and a bunch of people wouldn't even bother to read that information, because it further complicates the process of creating an account. Also, most people joining a chess site for the first time aren't aware that cheating is an issue, so the fact that this site has a strict policy won't attract many newcomers.
To Oecluos and Macer; Your jumping the gun. You and everybody can have a free account upon registering. The credit card info will come into place, IF, your caught cheating. When you want to RE-register. Like a no-fly list. Then they'll REALLY keep a eye on your games.
Oh that does not really matter at this point. This site is established and large enough for that not to affect its goals.
This plan would require all existing users to register credit card information within a certain time as well. This has to be done.
that is wrong.. all current members would not be required to provide such information.. meaning each current free member could technically get away with one free instance of cheating. but no one who already registered would have checked a box agreeing to provide credit card info, so chess.com cant ask them to i dont think. its just for preventing repeat cheating, thats all
RonaldJosephCote wrote:
To Oecluos and Macer; Your jumping the gun. You and everybody can have a free account upon registering. The credit card info will come into place, IF, your caught cheating. When you want to RE-register. Like a no-fly list. Then they'll REALLY keep a eye on your games.
That's not what the OP said. According to his first post, you will be asked for your credit card information the first time you create an account.
anyone here putting this idea down is more than likely a repeat cheater, and is scared that im ruining their evil enterprise.. suck it up, i hope that the staff reads only the original post and none of your negative nonsense
chess.com would have no way of knowing if you are re-registering to track you, as it would be an entirely different and new account. the point is that you get fined, and then deleted.. if you so choose to register another account, you are the same as anyone else, until that account is caught cheating if you so choose to do that
Macer; I'm disagreing with the OP. And I think chess.com will too, for a variety of legalities. To keep the site intact, how about this. Everybody can have a free account. You can only play in non-rated tournaments. If you want to play in rated tournaments, you must provide credit card INFO. You wont be charged, IF your not cheating.
General Observation:
I have been playing and watching games of chess here for over a year now, and though at my level it is unlikely that I have encountered a legitimate cheater, it is more than likely that I, and most of the community here, have witnessed those using engines in high rated games.
The Problem:
It is my understanding that chess.com is vigilant in both the detection and removal of cheaters from its pool of commited players. However, the system is flawed in one way. Persistent cheaters will continue to make new free accounts, thereby tainting the experience of chess for many dedicated members.
Suggested Solution:
Most, if not all, of the premium members on this site are aware that if they are caught cheating, they are basically forfeiting their investment upon the deletion of their account. So I am proposing that we use a similar method to deter cheating from free members in the following way:
Chess.com still permits any person to create a free account, however with the new stipulation that they provide valid credit card information. The user agreement can be changed to inform all new free members that if they are caught cheating in any way on chess.com, their account will be billed for one month of the highest level premium membership, and then subsequently deleted. This will deter persistent cheaters, because it will not be free for them to continue their venture of ruining the chess experience for the rest of the community. I call it the Troll Toll.
I would love to hear what the staff thinks of this idea, and should it be the case that I left some ambiguity in my suggestion, I would be more than happy to clarify or expand upon these thoughts.