Eradication of Cheating on Chess.com

Well... I'm actually being totally serious in this thread, and offerring constructive feedback. But I've said all that I have to say, and said it as clearly as I can, so I'll leave now and move on to some more fun topics.

so the credit company is going to send out their multimillion dollar legal team to argue for $10 refund for one person? thats what youre suggesting now?

The point is, this is not the only chess site out there. If somebody gets caught for cheating, and is banned, there are a ton of other sites that you can play chess at. The reason why there is opposition, is because there are a ton of wrongful bannings, and the easiest way for some to argue their case is to make another account. Are they going to have to get charged just to argue their case?

There's the rub. The idea itself is not bad; however, if chess.com decide that someone is a cheater and takes their money, and if that someone goes to court, then it's up to chess.com to prove beyond reasonable doubt that they really were cheating. That could be extremely difficult, from a legal point of view. Think of the game quoted by Silman in which a 1500 player won a brilliancy prize against a GM in an OTB tournament; these things are theoretically possible, and how do you prove that the supposed cheater did not just play a blinder? Ok, 2 or 3 such games start to become suspicious, but it's still legally dodgy.

you people are all ridiculous.. please stop commenting alltogether and let the staff review my original post.. I would rather hear what they think, as the rest of you have irrelevant opinions.

I've thought of this before and I agree.

In the future, they could use verification through USCF or FIDE. This will make the repercussions for cheating alot more severe. It will help deter spammers and trolls from making multiple accounts.

You could go a step further and limit accounts to premium members only. That would solve alot of problems as well.

On the other hand, the site offers chess for anyone, anywhere for free. If the site would prefer to have as many members as possible and emphasize the social aspect more than the serious chess aspect, this is the route they will continue on.

Then get out of the Forum please.

        Macer; I'll actually give you professional courtesy and say, I like you. But I don't think your a cheater. This thread is about cheating,(not trooling). The site is free. Always has been, Always will be. We don' want to change that. We're just suggesting that one way to cut back on the cheating is to ask for credit info. If your not cheating; you won't be charged.

+1

Yes, gambling sites must have some kind of business model. But that kind of business model doesn't work for a chess site that wants to maximize revenue.

O, and also, this is a bit of a tangent, but in a way free members do contribute to chess.com's revenue, through ads. After all, only free members see the ads, and if the number of active free members became too small then there would be no reason for the ad companies to pay chess.com to show their ads on this site.

And speaking of ads, I thought this was pretty funny:

You have no clue how CC companies work, do you. 

I dispute the charge, my CC company takes the charge off my bill until such time as Chess.com proves it is legitimate. 

Since they cannot prove anyone REALLY is cheating, they can't prove it is legitimate. Is Chess.com going to spend all of those resources for the charge?

In addition, Chess.com is now responsible for the security of all that extra CC data, for people they have not made a dime on.

Poor business model. VERY poor business model.

First of all, thank you.

And about the part of what u said that I highlighted, I get that. Read my comments on the first page. I'm saying that it is highly impractical for chess.com to ask for credit card information every time someone creates an account, regardless of whether or not they will actually be charged on that credit card.

first, i don't understand why would people cheat? there is no fun in it. nor do u get any money for cheating. and neither will it improve their game.

second, how would you detect that? just because a person has played a good game and come up with some good moves doesnt necessarily mean he has cheated. 

third, let us assume you have some concrete way of detecting cheating(which i very much doubt). how would you implement the ban legally? they may very well accuse the wrong person and get sued.

all of you idiots with your credit card company nonsense comments, who are calling me uneducated are forgetting one very important thing.. Any member who is being charged the fine has already agreed to a terms of use for chess.com, and subsequently assumed the burden of proof by way of that agreement. shows how much you idiots know about how to phrase a user agreement

Got it. Helpful hint: next time you have a question and you only want to hear what the staff have to say, submit a ticket instead of creating a thread on the public forums.

       To wasted youth; post #55; In court, your exagerating the legal term,"beyond a resonable doubt". That's used in a murder case. Chess.com would only have to show a propencity for patterns to cheat. And to contest the charge from the card company, the burden of proff would fall on the user to prove the charge is not legitimate. Your confusing criminal, and civil.  Innocent until proven guilt does not apply because the card company has a reputation to uphole. How many times is Master Charge in the headlines for abuse??

you all agree to these kinds of things with almost anything you register for electronically... go ahead and tell me youve read all those things

Well... Few good ways of detecting a cheater: One is putting the game into rybka or houdini, and see whether there is a pattern in the moves. Ex: A fairly infamous IM was playing in a tournament, with a suspected wire through his clothes. All games were put through an analyser after the tournament. That person had the second best move for every move according to Rybka.

Isn't it against the rules to accuse people of cheating in the forums? Hasn't the OP done this to people who disagree with him? He wants the staff to read his stuff. I agree. Then they can ban him from the forums for making totally unfounded accusations of cheating. Perhaps he can be fined. What's your credit card number?

No true at all. If i dispute a charge I do not have to prove it is not legit. The company has to prove it is legit. At least my CC companies work that way. The money gets charged back to the company in question as a debit and the charge is not figured in to any finance charges until it is settled one way or the other.