Unfortunately much easier i would find an opponent with custom setting 25/5 than the default 45/45..In fact i can't find an opponent, it seems i am the only one in the site who wants to play 45/45 now.. :P
Time Control Changes?
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Jul 30, 2014
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petrip wrote:
Well that is a good reason why 90/30 should not be there. It just would not work.
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It will never be very popular I think it will be usefull enough
It will be if it would be offered as one of the defaults time controls. You will also see a rise in the number of 45|45 games played here.
I checked several times in the last 24 hrs, how many 45|45 games are being played, and each time I found that there are at least 5 45|45 games being played at the moment.
Putting slow time controls in the list - makes people aware of it and choose it.
petrip escribió:
jaadlh_6691 wrote:
Thanks for 45/45. Btw, why not 90/30. At FIDE ratings, to be considered "standard" chess, the minimum time to 60 moves must be 120 minutes. That is the reason for 90/30 at Chess Olympiad and FIDE tournaments.
90/30?? Why not? Thanks in advance.
Minimum time to considered chess proper is 60 minutes assuming weak players
And it is 60 minutes for 60 move game, 45/45 would add up to 90 minutes which should suffice quite many tournaments. As long as players are below 2200it is accepted.
Though I am sure that only games where one player is abaove limit would be excluded from the rating calculation in case there is a tournament where few players are abouve 2200 mark
@petrip You are absolutely right. The FIDE rules says
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For a game to be rated, each player must have the following minimum periods in which to complete all the moves, assuming the game lasts 60 moves. Where at least one of the players in the tournament has a rating 2200 or higher, each player must have a minimum of 120 minutes. Where at least one of the players in the tournament has a rating 1600 or higher, each player must have a minimum of 90 minutes. Where all the players in the tournament are rated below 1600, each player must have a minimum of 60 minutes. |
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Where a certain number of moves is specified in the first time control, it shall be 40 moves. "
To accept a 60 minutes time control (for 60 movements) ALL THE PLAYERS, must be under 1600. If one ot them is a 1600 or above you need 90 minutes, and if one of them is 2200 or above you need 120 minutes (90/30)
Well, one of the major drawbacks of Chess.com is the general idea that the best players are playing at ICC, not here. Why don´t offering them a "OTB enviroment here".
At Spain, at least, the OTB tournaments valids for FIDE ratings are 90/30. You can´t forbid a 2200 player to play!!!!. Sometimes you have special award to U-XXXX players,, but all the players play at the same pool, and with the same rules (90/30).
I am a weak player, I know, but I want that a strong players have the ideals conditions to play chess at chess.com. I think that idea is good for me and good for them and we can attract more player to the site, with more income to the site.
Yours faithfully
J.A.
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manic13 escribió:
Unfortunately much easier i would find an opponent with custom setting 25/5 than the default 45/45..In fact i can't find an opponent, it seems i am the only one in the site who wants to play 45/45 now.. :P
I think the players need time to know thet they can use a 45/45 live chess. Apart from that we probably need to be very flexible about ratings. Always it is easier to find 1 hour to play that to find 2/3 free hours. i think that in a couple of months, the users really will know the new feature and using it. You must think that we are now at summer, most of the people si out of his usual place and sometimes whith no good internet connections (comparing with usual ones). At september,for instance, I am going to start using the new feature
Greetings.
Another thing. I notice that the number of choices up from 8 to 10. If the number it is no really limited, and noticing that the people demand it, I repeat, why not 90/30???
J.A.
Thx for the 3/2:)
I had to choose between 5/2 and 3, this 3/2 is better for me, thanks !
jaadlh_6691 wrote:
manic13 escribió:
Unfortunately much easier i would find an opponent with custom setting 25/5 than the default 45/45..In fact i can't find an opponent, it seems i am the only one in the site who wants to play 45/45 now.. :P
I think the players need time to know thet they can use a 45/45 live chess. Apart from that we probably need to be very flexible about ratings. Always it is easier to find 1 hour to play that to find 2/3 free hours. i think that in a couple of months, the users really will know the new feature and using it. You must think that we are now at summer, most of the people si out of his usual place and sometimes whith no good internet connections (comparing with usual ones). At september,for instance, I am going to start using the new feature
Greetings.
Another thing. I notice that the number of choices up from 8 to 10. If the number it is no really limited, and noticing that the people demand it, I repeat, why not 90/30???
J.A.
Well i guess you are right, people need some time despite the massive demand for longer time controls...though i am on vacation right now(that's why i can play 45/45 :P ) with a mobile internet stick 3G connection! Also i hoped for the replacement of 30/0 with 25/5 :/
@petrip
"probably" is the main word. Offer creates his own demand. If we don´t offer 90/30 we never will know if it will work properly or not. 45/45 and 90/30 are right know working properly at Slow Chess Groups. But, before these groups, it doesn´t work because this offer don´t exist. I am sure that, if chess.com offer this time control (90/30), only need a little time (pair of months, for instance), that became popular.
We only need two things, the offer (now only 45/45 and not 90/30) and a little piece of time to start working properly... why not???
Thanks for adding 45|45, but I am not really totally satisfied. Just like many people here, I would have liked at least two (not just one) time controls between the three most wanted time controls: 30|30, 45|45 and 90|30.
Let's have a look at the current list of time controls:
1|0 = 1
2|1 = 3
3|0 = 3
3|2 = 5
5|0 = 5
5|2 = 7
10|0 = 10
15|10 = 25
30|0 = 30
45|45 = 90
It's pretty obvious that this list is not very balanced...
Both 2|1 and 3|0 are equivalent. You should get rid of 2|1.
Both 3|2 and 5|0 are equivalent. You should get rid of one of them.
30|0 is much too close to 15|10. Almost everyone said that they did not like 30|0 and that they prefered either 30|5 or 25|10 instead... (By the way 25|10 is very popular OTB, and it was used in the World Cup in 2013 for the rapid tiebreak stage.)
And most importantly: what about all the people who want to play a game longer than 30|0 = 30 but shorter than 45|45 = 90 ? There is currently a very big gap between 30|0 = 30 and 45|45 = 90. Almost everyone here also wanted the time control 30|30 which would have filled the gap perfectly.
Oh and maybe you should also have created a 4th rating category. 15|10, 30|0 and 45|45 are all currently classified as "Standard". But it is clear that 45|45 should be the only one classified as "Standard", while 15|10 and 30|0 should be classified as "Rapid".
That's not just my opinion, it is simply how it works everywhere. 15|10 is the official time control of the FIDE World Rapid Chess Championship: the keyword here is "Rapid".
Skynet escribió:
Thanks for adding 45|45, but I am not really totally satisfied. Just like many people here, I would have liked at least two (not just one) time controls between the three most wanted time controls: 30|30, 45|45 and 90|30.
Let's have a look at the current list of time controls:
1|0 = 1
2|1 = 3
3|0 = 3
3|2 = 5
5|0 = 5
5|2 = 7
10|0 = 10
15|10 = 25
30|0 = 30
45|45 = 90
It's pretty obvious that this list is not very balanced...
Both 2|1 and 3|0 are equivalent. You should get rid of 2|1.
Both 3|2 and 5|0 are equivalent. You should get rid of one of them.
30|0 is much too close to 15|10. Almost everyone said that they did not like 30|0 and that they prefered either 30|5 or 25|10 instead... (By the way 25|10 is very popular OTB, and it was used in the World Cup in 2013 for the rapid tiebreak stage.)
And most importantly: what about all the people who want to play a game longer than 30|0 = 30 but shorter than 45|45 = 90 ? There is currently a very big gap between 30|0 = 30 and 45|45 = 90. Almost everyone here also wanted the time control 30|30 which would have filled the gap perfectly.
Oh and maybe you should also have created a 4th rating category. 15|10, 30|0 and 45|45 are all currently classified as "Standard". But it is clear that 45|45 should be the only one classified as "Standard", while 15|10 and 30|0 should be classified as "Rapid".
That's not just my opinion, it is simply how it works everywhere. 15|10 is the official time control of the FIDE World Rapid Chess Championship: the keyword here is "Rapid".
Agreed. And as we said before, for every rating player, we need 90/30 as a true standard (according FIDE rules).
Then Chess.com needs to add a whole new rating system for Rapid time controls. Is that a hassle to implement? I'm not a naysayer on it, makes a lot of sense to me, but I'm unsure how easy it'd be to implement. 90|30 should be added because that's a standard OTB time control though. I doubt anyone would play a longer time control than that reguarly online so I think that'd be the highest needed, but it is needed!
Jul 31, 2014
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#233
I'm happy with the 45' 45'' button.
Now, the problem is I wait and I wait more and more. The searcher don't find any player to play the game.
Perhaps many people don't search slow live games in internet.
Thanks for adding 45/45
Aug 1, 2014
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#236
I'm sure by now you have all seen that we admitted we were wrong? Not only did we not get rid of the time controls you wanted, but we broke our own rule and move from 8 to 10 "default" time controls!
#yourewelcome
PS - Enjoy the 3|2 blitz control! It's my new favorite 
Danny!
It takes forever for someone to accept 3|2 seeks. Man, it is a really good time control too.
DanielRensch wrote:
We will get there Matthew! People don't know about it yet!
Can you please add 90 30? Oh,and my old favorite used to be 5 2,Now 3 2 is AWESOME!
Why would you need a 30 second increment in a 90 minute time control? I played several OTB 90 minute sudden death tournaments, and found it to be an excellent option. If one absolutely needs the crutch of a welfare increment, 90/5 should be more than enough, though I personally feel that such a thing is an abberation. Time passes. Deal with it. Make your best moves in the time allotted. If you run out of time, it's because you managed it poorly. Anything which can theoretically allow a player to gain time with meaningless moves to affect a positive result later is not appropriate to a timed game. I'm all for 90/0. I'm all against 90/anything.
Thanks for 45|45.
Still wish to see 90|30, though.