One Change to Save Thousands of Members Months of Time

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ozzie_c_cobblepot
There was a very well written post awhile back by someone whose account is no longer open, talking about new time controls. If they ever do something like "10 moves in 5 days" this really would solve the problem of people not liking it when opponents use all their available time. By having new options for what available means... not by having new punishments for those who use their own resource however they want. Including using it to annoy people.
Spencer9853
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ilikeflags

on another chess website, they've made this exact change.  at the moment they made the change, thousands of members saved months of time!  months i say!

Spencer9853
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ozzie_c_cobblepot
The tournaments here are MUCH faster than those conducted via snail mail. Don't compare them with OTB. Lastly, Mr DramaticExit, where is your supporting data for the "almost everyone" you quote?
bigpoison
ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:

By the way, back when Erik started a thread about this, he wanted an actual example of a tournament (with link) such that the next round of the tournament could start before all games were ended. Can anyone oblige here?


Here's one:  both players will advance regardless of the outcome of a Q+K+P vs. K+P endgame:

http://www.chess.com/tournaments/pairings.html?id=8196&round=3

ilikeflags
DramaticExit wrote:
ilikeflags wrote:

on another chess website, they've made this exact change.  at the moment they made the change, thousands of members saved months of time!  months i say!


Am I allowed to ask?.. which website? One move per day Tournaments for 100 or less people that 'endure' for less than half a year! Wow, Pls share your findings...


well shoot.  i made it up.

pbrocoum

It's been said before, but why not just use a regular chess clock? Set it at G/1 month per player instead of two hours and voila! The round is guaranteed to be over within 2 months. What's so hard about that?

TheGrobe
ilikeflags wrote:

on another chess website, they've made this exact change.  at the moment they made the change, thousands of members saved months of time!  months i say!


I'm still looking for that change that will save one member thousands of months of time.

Cystem_Phailure

I'm still amazed that anyone would have any time saved.  I didn't know there were CC players who just sat in front of their screens doing nothing while waiting for their opponents to move.

omatari

Which one means yes???? YEA

ilikeflags

i want my time to be wasted.  since i kicked the drink, somebody's gotta have some fun.  yarrrrrrrr.

TheGrobe
Cystem_Phailure wrote:

I'm still amazed that anyone would have any time saved.  I didn't know there were CC players who just sat in front of their screens doing nothing while waiting for their opponents to move.


Wait -- I can go outside?

Ghuzultyy

How can I say no -.- You are absolutely right.

Spencer9853
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ozzie_c_cobblepot

DramaticExit, what you are describing is what I refer to as the 'long tail' phenomenon. It seems that if you start a tournament, even with the best of intentions and the best of pre-screening of players, you're still bound to have a couple of games taking a really long time. With a 100 person tournament, it is a virtual certainty.

So what can you do?

The site already created the No Vacation tournaments, to address exactly this idea (1). The site could implement all sorts of other time controls, some of which I think are very good ideas. In fact, having a "x moves in y days" type of time control would actually make a no vacation tournament better, in my opinion. You get 5 days for 20 moves (super quick), and if you make 20 moves in 2 days, well you get a 5 days bonus now. So you can manage your own time. But, they haven't done it yet. Honestly I don't know how much of a rearchitecture it would require, I have no idea how much work it would be. I don't know how popular it would be. I don't know how confused the general users would be with these changes. But it does address the core of the problem.

I don't think that implementing stricter policies does get at the core of the problem. Note that the only thing that is actually against the TOS is so-called vacation abuse. So you'd have a legitimate gripe there.

Lastly, perhaps what you're really interested in is Live Chess Tournaments, which apparently are coming. So if you want predictability in the finish, you'll be getting it soon.

(1) What's funny is that a No Vacation tournament almost encourages people to keep playing in lost positions, taking the maximum per move, because there's always a chance that the winning player will actually have to go on vacation. And if the losing player has to go on vacation, well, they're losing anyways, right?

Spencer9853
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ozzie_c_cobblepot

Almost like there should be a warning message when you enter a 100-person tournament, that it will likely take between 12 and 18 months to finish.

artfizz
ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:

By the way, back when Erik started a thread about this, he wanted an actual example of a tournament (with link) such that the next round of the tournament could start before all games were ended. Can anyone oblige here?


bigpoison wrote: Here's one:  both players will advance regardless of the outcome of a Q+K+P vs. K+P endgame:

http://www.chess.com/tournaments/pairings.html?id=8196&round=3

Until all of the games in the group are finished, the decision about who goes through to the next round could change ... if the group leaders were banned (or withdrew).