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How do you guys feel about players purposefully waiting until they're about to time out to make their moves? I'm in a tournament right now and all the games in my group have finished except for one guy who hasn't finished a single game.

We have three days to move and I expected there to be some people who play at a slower rate (totally fine with that). But what's bothersome is that this person will log in and only play moves for games that he's within hours or minutes of timing out for and not make moves for any of the other games until he absolutely has to. If you only log in every 2 days or so I'd understand. But to log in every day and still make people wait seems rude. Maybe this doesn't bother others, the game will obviously eventually end. But it's inconsiderate to me.

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TRextastic wrote:

How do you guys feel about players purposefully waiting until they're about to time out to make their moves? I'm in a tournament right now and all the games in my group have finished except for one guy who hasn't finished a single game.

We have three days to move and I expected there to be some people who play at a slower rate (totally fine with that). But what's bothersome is that this person will log in and only play moves for games that he's within hours or minutes of timing out for and not make moves for any of the other games until he absolutely has to. If you only log in every 2 days or so I'd understand. But to log in every day and still make people wait seems rude. Maybe this doesn't bother others, the game will obviously eventually end. But it's inconsiderate to me.

When I used to play a lot of correspondence chess online, I would often spend 15 minutes or more analyzing many of the moves.  When I had 20 games going, it could take several hours just to get through all of them.  

If I got through them all, then half of them would have responses. If I didn't quit at some point, I could have been online 24/7 playing chess.

That may work for you but some people still don't devote every spare moment to chess.

How do you know that they are purposefully waiting? Perhaps they are busy doing other things.

The strangest thing I've seen recently in correspondence chess are the tournaments where a player's average time/move has to be three hours or less in order to enter.  

Avatar of thegreat_patzer

mmm.  I see your point- but- chillax. its "online" chess. online is like that.  slow and mellow. if they want to spend all 3 days examining every possible line in an massive calculation on an analysis board, well, hopefully they don't find anything.

personally Long lapses in Live chess is more disturbing.  because you really can't just move on to something else....

but even So. part of chess, is waiting. its part of the game.

think of it as "practice on being patient"

Avatar of TRextastic

Ha, well I guess I got my answer: "no". I mean, it's not something that's going to drive me crazy or anything. I'm just super impatient. It will definitely be practice for me. Maybe if I took that amount of time studying my moves and lines I wouldn't blunder so much Tongue Out

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I currently have 2 games going, and i pretty much take all 3 days to make a move.  I firmly believe correspondance chess is an excellnt way to improve.

Day 1: 

Sit down and find the candidate moves.

Calculate dandidate lines.

Save them to the Notes section.

Day #2:

Come back and look at the lines with "fresh eyes"

Make any needed changes.

Save them to the Notes section of the game.

Day #3:

Make one last look at each line.

Double check one last time.

Make Move, and type out throught process and save to Notes section.

Avatar of thegreat_patzer

Now Thats dedication!

I'm not nearly That meticulous.  but I don't see a reason to be rushed when I have 3 Days.  and usually when I err, I spend 10 minutes following one favorably variation after another only to miss something simple that changes Everything.

Avatar of Diakonia
thegreat_patzer wrote:

Now Thats dedication!

I'm not nearly That meticulous.  but I don't see a reason to be rushed when I have 3moves.  and usually when I err, I spend 30 minutes following one favorably variation after another only to miss something simple that changes Everything

I got the idea from a friend.  

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there is a blogger, that has written out in longhand extensive analysis for a whole game- not annotations but whole pages of analysis and an explanation of what he saw, move by move.

it looked... well, unbelieveably meticulous.  but I don't doubt that this level of scrutiny is warranted if you want to win in Correspondance chess...  

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thegreat_patzer wrote:

there is a blogger, that has written out in longhand extensive analysis for a whole game- not annotations but whole pages of analysis and an explanation of what he saw, move by move.

it looked... well, unbelieveably meticulous.  but I don't doubt that this level of scrutiny is warranted if you want to win in Correspondance chess...  

I know a guy like that.  He has note pads full of opening analysis.  He always used to ask me if i wanted to borrow it, and i kept telling him that i dont study openings.  He has never beaten me and doesnt understand why, since he is so "booked up"

Avatar of easchner

Could be worse, some people in the tournament still have another 2.5 months of vacation before they have to make their first move!

Avatar of TRextastic
Diakonia wrote:

I currently have 2 games going, and i pretty much take all 3 days to make a move.  I firmly believe correspondance chess is an excellnt way to improve.

Day 1: 

Sit down and find the candidate moves.

Calculate dandidate lines.

Save them to the Notes section.

Day #2:

Come back and look at the lines with "fresh eyes"

Make any needed changes.

Save them to the Notes section of the game.

Day #3:

Make one last look at each line.

Double check one last time.

Make Move, and type out throught process and save to Notes section.

Wow!! That's a great process. I'm going to try that with some of my games. Still doubt I can muster up the patience, though haha.

Avatar of Colin20G

If you have 3 days available, it is wise to use them fully to think about your moves.

Avatar of SmyslovFan

Paul Keres recommended that a player wait at least 24 hours before moving in correspondence chess. 

We're playing with a fixed time control on this site, rather than the traditional x moves in x days correspondence format. 

In this format, it's wise to use as much time as you need in complex positions. 

Problems arise when the position is dead lost and almost any legal move wins for the opponent. It's okay to keep playing such positions, but do so in a timely manner. If you can't win the game on the board, don't try to win it by outliving your opponent! The Death Gambit is really unsporting, and ruins any tournament you may be playing in.

Avatar of Diakonia
TRextastic wrote:
Diakonia wrote:

I currently have 2 games going, and i pretty much take all 3 days to make a move.  I firmly believe correspondance chess is an excellnt way to improve.

Day 1: 

Sit down and find the candidate moves.

Calculate dandidate lines.

Save them to the Notes section.

Day #2:

Come back and look at the lines with "fresh eyes"

Make any needed changes.

Save them to the Notes section of the game.

Day #3:

Make one last look at each line.

Double check one last time.

Make Move, and type out throught process and save to Notes section.

Wow!! That's a great process. I'm going to try that with some of my games. Still doubt I can muster up the patience, though haha.

Lack of patience is precisely why i started doing this.

Avatar of SmyslovFan

And yeah, diakonia. I use that same method myself. I've mentioned it in other forums. I borrowed the idea from Keres. 

Avatar of Saint_Anne

It is irritating to deal with slowwwww players.  But everyone has the right to use their time as they wish, including vacation time.  It is their right to take on several hundred games at a time if they wish.  They don't have to play as we want them to.  In online chess, some games will move at a galatial pace.  While you are waiting, play other games.

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Diakonia wrote:

I currently have 2 games going, and i pretty much take all 3 days to make a move.  I firmly believe correspondance chess is an excellnt way to improve.

Day 1: 

Sit down and find the candidate moves.

Calculate dandidate lines.

Save them to the Notes section.

Day #2:

Come back and look at the lines with "fresh eyes"

Make any needed changes.

Save them to the Notes section of the game.

Day #3:

Make one last look at each line.

Double check one last time.

Make Move, and type out throught process and save to Notes section.

Goodness gracious, that's how I do it but I try when possible in 2.5 days. What amazes me (in a good way) is even when I think I have my bases covered, my opponents sometimes surprise me with a move I didn't even anticipate.  It's all good for learning.

 

To remain on subject, I've also played against people who use all their time.  However, I agreed to the terms so I honor it, even if I start to get impatient, lol.

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SmyslovFan wrote:

And yeah, diakonia. I use that same method myself. I've mentioned it in other forums. I borrowed the idea from Keres. 

My inspiration wasnt that great, but i do like it.

Avatar of AimfulAstronaut

Report the game to staff...a guy did that with me... The game was delayed 2-3 days... Staff should warn the person doing it and ban him in case of a repeat offense

Avatar of thegreat_patzer

you can be banned by taking 2 - 2.5 days to move (in a 3day/move game)...

really?