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Winner of gold medal: Winner of final round or player with most points

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FuzzleOIL

Who will win the gold medal in a case like this:

2 groups with 5 players each, 2 will advance.

Group A:

a1 a2 a3 a4 a5 Points
a1 x 2 2 2 2 8
a2 0 x 1 1 1,5 3,5
a3 0 1 x 1 1 3
a4 0 1 1 x 1 3
a5 0 0,5 1 1 x 2,5

Group B:

b1 b2 b3 b4 b5 Points
b1 x 2 2 2 1,5 7,5
b2 0 x 1 1 1,5 3,5
b3 0 1 x 1 1 3
b4 0 1 1 x 1 3
b5 0,5 0,5 1 1 x 3

Final round

a1 a2 b1 b2 Points
a1 x 1 1 0,5 2,5
a2 1 x 1,5 1,5 4
b1 1 0,5 x 1 2,5
b2 1,5 0,5 1 x 3

a2 wins the final round. If you sum up all points, a1 has 10.5 points, a2 has 7.5 only.

Who wins? I guess it's a2?

Mr_Alex_Pims
Magnus Carlsen, Sergey Karjakin, Maxime Vachier-Lagrave, Hikaru Nakamura and Fabiano Caruana.
Mr_Alex_Pims
I am listing random names for no reason.
Mr_Alex_Pims
But actually, my guess is a1.
Penguincw

Assuming it's a chess.com tournament, A2 is considered the winner of the tournament. Doesn't matter how many points you scored to get to the final round. Only thing that matters is that you make it to the final round, and win it.

FuzzleOIL

Yes, I was talking about a chess.com tournament. Thanks for your answer. I think that's logical.

FuzzleOIL

I have a similiar question about 3rd place's medal.

I'm playing in a tournament with 5 players remaining (seperated in two groups of 3 players and 2 players), only 1 will advance. So in the final round there are only 2 players.

Who will get 3rd place's medal? Will someone get it?

AntonioVivaldiJr
FuzzleOIL wrote:

I have a similiar question about 3rd place's medal.

I'm playing in a tournament with 5 players remaining (seperated in two groups of 3 players and 2 players), only 1 will advance. So in the final round there are only 2 players.

Who will get 3rd place's medal? Will someone get it?

It is still possible that one of the groups will have a tie for the top position, causing a three player (or even four player) final group. As for finding the third placed player in a scenario as you described, I'm not sure how Chess.com would figure it out, but the answer could be either the highest cumulative scoring player from all previous rounds or the highest scoring second place player from the penultimate round.

One thing about tied players that I don't like is that if multiple players are all tied for a spot, they all win that spot. So if two players are tied with the highest score, then they all win first place whereas the third player finishes second. The correct breakdown in that situation is that those two players all share first and second and third finishes in third. I would like to see Chess.com fix that error.

FuzzleOIL

 

AntonioVivaldiJr hat geschrieben:

I'm not sure how Chess.com would figure it out, but the answer could be either the highest cumulative scoring player from all previous rounds or the highest scoring second place player from the penultimate round.

 

 

That might be right. But then the players in the bigger group have 2 more games so they can make more points than the players in the other group.

Maybe the result against the weakest player will be ignored then?

Well, I'll just look what will happen in this specific tournament. happy.png

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AntonioVivaldiJr hat geschrieben:

So if two players are tied with the highest score, then they all win first place whereas the third player finishes second. The correct breakdown in that situation is that those two players all share first and second and third finishes in third. I would like to see Chess.com fix that error.

Yes, I agree.

Koshaun_W

I wish Chess.com have a 1 minute and 1sec tournament for both phone and computer platform.

manekapa

FuzzleOIL wrote:

I have a similiar question about 3rd place's medal.

I'm playing in a tournament with 5 players remaining (seperated in two groups of 3 players and 2 players), only 1 will advance. So in the final round there are only 2 players.

Who will get 3rd place's medal? Will someone get it?

So now the tournament is done, we can see that Blastingchess won third place because they had the most points in the 3rd round besides the finalists.

FuzzleOIL

Yes. But Blasting and ald had 4 games in round 3 (group of three players), Mentac had only 2 games (group of two players).

So if Blasting's result was 0 wins, 2 draw, 2 losses he would still be better than if Mentac had 0 wins and 1 draw?

If it was a situation in e.g. UEFA qualification, then the results of Blasting vs ald87 would be ignored to determine who is the best 2nd player of each group (--> 3rd player of the tournament). In this case, Blasting and Mentac would be both tied 3rd winners (both have 0 points in round 3).

 

Penguincw

This is chess.com. They use software to determine these results (since there's too many tournaments). They would've simply looked at you score in the last round you played in, and if necessary, tiebreaks.

 

Obviously a group of 2 would have fewer scoring opportunities then a group of 3, but a group of 2 had an easier chance to advance in the first place, so that probably balances it out.