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BaXeD

So i would like a good d4 opening to use, i was considering the stonewall. any suggestions?

Mr_Brock

London System or Colle System...highly recommended

pattrik

I would suggest the Queen's Gambit Declined...

DrSpudnik

Oh God, not this London/Colle B-S- again! It just never ends. Frown

Atos

If you are trying to choose between the Stonewall / the Colle / the London, then I'd choose the Stonewall. This will probably give you some pretty good attacks against weaker to average opponents. Later on, you will be getting more and more drawish positions, when you will realize that you need to learn the Queen's Gambit etc.

LAexpress12
rich wrote:

Trompowsky or veresov


 tromp is ok but do you know what the winning % for white is with the veresov!?? itts like white 20% draw 35% black 45 %

Dragec
Stonewall, Colle, Zukertort
Atos
AnthonyCG wrote:

The issue is that many players play systems because they are afraid to play and make their own decisions. They would rather have their hand held for as long as possible before they have to do anything on their own. 


I don't understand how this wouldn't apply to anyone who plays book or otherwise prepared openings.

I think that people should accept that "system openings" are openings like any other. Of course, the Colle or the Stonewall are not first-rate openings, but on amateur level this doesn't really matter much.

2pacinchess

Just get a good position, don't be too greedy about taking the c4 pawn back and get a tactical combination :).. I prefer London, but I think that changing variations from time to time is a great way to learn how to play d4 better

blake78613

GM Artur Yusupov relied heavily on the Colle to become a GM.  Susan Polgar has played the Colle.  French GM Eric Prie plays various non Queen Gambit d4 openings.  Past GMs who used the Colle include: Alekhine, Capablanca, Rubinstein, and Maroczy.  The Colle has been well tested at the GM level.

Puggle

The number of GM's who regularly trot out the Veresov absolutely pales in comparison to the number who make the London or CZ a regular feature of their repertoire.

Puggle
Fezzik wrote:
blake78613 wrote:

GM Artur Yusupov relied heavily on the Colle to become a GM.  Susan Polgar has played the Colle.  French GM Eric Prie plays various non Queen Gambit d4 openings.  Past GMs who used the Colle include: Alekhine, Capablanca, Rubinstein, and Maroczy.  The Colle has been well tested at the GM level.


I can't find any Colle games by Yusupov. Please cite your sources for that one.


 At this point, I can only assume you're trolling.  Jussupow is probably the most famous D-Pawn special player in history.

Atos

I found a few on a quick search:

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1384877

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1276896

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1060028

 

These were classified as: "Indian Game: Yusupov-Rubinstein System"

Also, I found some games by Yusupov in the Torre Attack.

chessdude46

It depends on how good your tactics are. If you have great tactical skills, just do a normal book opening like the Queens Gambit. But if your tactical skills are below average, then find something unexpected but great.

Atos
Fezzik wrote:

Puggle, yes, Yusupov (Jussupow in chessbase) is a 1.d4 player. But take a look at his games. They weren't Colles. At least none that I've seen.


They look like Colle-Zuckertot played against 1. ...Nf6.

Puggle

Went to double check, for fear I was losing my mind.

A quick bumble through ChessBase shows literally hundreds of Jussupow Colles. Mostly Zukertorts, but hardly all.

e.g.:

[Event "World Open"]
[Site "Leon ESP"]
[Date "2008.??.??"]
[White "Jussupow,Ar"]
[Black "Gomez Esteban,J"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2570"]
[BlackElo "2498"]
[ECO "A46"]
[Round "6"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. e3 c5 4. c3 Nbd7 5. Nbd2 Qc7 6. Bd3 e5 7. e4 cxd4
8. cxd4 dxe4 9. Nxe4 Nxe4 10. Bxe4 Nf6 11. Bc2 e4 12. Ne5 Bb4+ 13. Bd2 Bxd2+ 14. Qxd2 O-O
15. Bb3 Qd6 16. Nc4 Qa6 17. Ne3 Be6 18. d5 Bd7 19. Bc4 Qd6 20. Be2 Rfd8 21. Rd1 Rac8
22. O-O h6 23. Qd4 Qc5 24. Rd2 Qxd4 25. Rxd4 Rc5 26. Rfd1 Rdc8 1-0

Atos

This one is just the old Colle:

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1384939

Puggle

And of course Vlatko Kovacevic has made a living off the London.  Scads of the new wave of Vietnamese GM's seem to love the London, for some reason.  Mark Hebden is a big Barry/Tarzan guy.  The list goes on and on.

Sure, it's not going to feature a whole lot of WC contenders...at least not this century, but that's hardly a reason to bury the openings at a mortal level.

Atos
Fezzik wrote:

Ok, I just learned something: 

I had always considered the Colle to be 1.d4 2.e4 3.c3 (perhaps with a N move thrown in.)

I never considered the Zukertort to be a subsystem of the Colle. The Zukertort, especially the way Yusupov plays it, makes great sense, especially against 1...Nf6.

Again, I never considered the Zukertort part of the Colle. I still stand by my inferred claim that when Yusupov was faced with 1.d4 d5 he usually played the Queen's Gambit, not the Zukertort, and certainly not the Colle.


Could you provide some evidence for this ? I am not getting paid to do searches here.

Atos

Yeah but chessgames.com will give you the Colle or Colle-Zuckertot under "Queen's Pawn game" so you can't really find it without wading through the games.

He also played the Torre etc.