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e4 c5 e5 - how to deal with this as black??

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hrb264

im sure there must have been a thread on this before,but i couldn't find it. there have been a few games i've played where the opponent plays e5 as white and i have no idea how to respond to it properly as it seems to weaken my position instantaneously.

joseph_ward

2...d6 works as well.

helltank

2...Nc6, with the idea 3. f4 f6 4.exf6 5.Nxf6 with good chances for black.

j_ward, remember that pawns can't move backwards. After eliminating the e-pawn with Nc6, I would play e5, and only then play d6 to support it. I don't want to take the risk of d6 getting traded off and e5 being left with no support.

Jess032579

e4-c5, e5-nc6,-nf3,-e6 is ok

erixoltan

Why not 1.e4 c5 2.e5?! Nc6 3.Nf3 Qc7!

For example 4.Qe2 f6 5.exf6 Nxf6.

Or 3.f4 e6 4.Nf3 d5 intending ...Be7, ...Nh6, ...O-O and ...Nf5.

Slight edge to Black in either case.

marcdetulle

le deuxième mouvement 2-e5 n'engendre t'il pas une perte de temps dans son développement face à un fin adversaire ? pour ma part je suis plutot un inconditionnel du trés modéré 2-  CF3 .

erixoltan
uhohspaghettio wrote:

To be honest, I don't think any of these moves/two-moves given above deserve exclamation marks. There are many good moves in this situation, none deserve an exclamation mark. 


Your point is well taken. I was using the exclamation mark on Qc7 to indicate that I thought it was an incisive way to demonstrate the silliness of 2.e5. However Black can develop in several reasonable ways and get the same slight edge.

Derived

Play Nc6, d6, Qc7 and then Bg4. Most likely White will respond with f4, Nf3 and Qe2. After his Knight is pinned White cannot hold on to the pawn and will be forced to trade it for your d6 pawn at some point. You could even take on e5 with your d6 pawn and win it.

erixoltan
Derived wrote:

Play Nc6, d6, Qc7 and then Bg4. Most likely White will respond with f4, Nf3 and Qe2. After his Knight is pinned White cannot hold on to the pawn and will be forced to trade it for your d6 pawn at some point. You could even take on e5 with your d6 pawn and win it.

 


I do agree that 3.f4! is necessary after 2...Nc6, to avoid losing the weak e5 pawn. If White goes 3.Nf3? then I would avoid ...d6 because you can probably just win the pawn.

hrb264

i know that 2.e5 is a bad move (i never play it) but it stops me playing e4 and also restricts the mobility of the king's knight, so i guess that's why they play it? Also why would d5 give equality when white can just take the pawn en passant?

Gm_andrewfeng

        

movegameswhite wins / draw / black wins
2...d5 37
18.9% 35.1% 45.9%
2...e6 13
53.8% 23.1% 23.1%