Is this the only sound opening queen sacrifice? (Move 5)

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InfiniteFlash

I saw pfren post about this, and in some of my games, my opponents graciously play Ne5. Now i know that white is tons better in the most humanistic line after say Rxd1, it looks like whites MASSIVE lead in development may already be decisive, not sure if black has improvements.



Bishop, Knight, Pawn, Black's exposed king, and lack of development: all for a queen? Cool


My question is, have you seen a related, sound positional queen sacrifice such as this one so early in the opening? Maybe not as early, but before, say move 10 or 15.

AndyClifton

"humanistic"?

All I'm getting's that goofy rotating Rubik's-cube thing again...

InfiniteFlash
AndyClifton wrote:

"humanistic"?

All I'm getting's that goofy rotating Rubik's-cube thing again...

chess.com has sucked massive koala leaves ever since the update, i can't post or update stuff with relative sucess anymore.

InfiniteFlash

It should be fixed now Clifton.

b3nnyhaha

white can try to win the queen for three pieces in a line of taimanov fairly early, don't quite remember how it goes though.. i'll try to find it and edit it in :P

Edit: found it!

doesn't seem super hard to play, but black must still try to coordinate without dropping anything

InfiniteFlash
b3nnyhaha wrote:

white can try to win the queen for three pieces in a line of taimanov fairly early, don't quite remember how it goes though.. i'll try to find it and edit it in :P

Is it where white plays Qg3, and sacks a bishop on b5 for 3 pawns (with Nxd6 stuff)? I remember bronstein using this in a game or two of his...ERRR NVM!

InfiniteFlash

Oh, i haven't seen this one before, i was thinking of some other line.

AndyClifton

There's also this one (speaking of Bronstein):



InfiniteFlash
AndyClifton wrote:

There's also this one (speaking of Bronstein):

 



I always love playing the black side of such positions. Thanks for sharing Clifton, nothing makes me more interested into chess than a material imbalence of a couple minors and pawns & speculative positional compensation for the queen.

b3nnyhaha

oh that reminded me of another, although not quite sound it ended up working out:

move 12... this was the first time this was played, but there have been a fair number of repeat games (100+), so i guess it can still be called theory? anyway i'll stop now so i don't just post every game i know with an early queen sac xD

InfiniteFlash
b3nnyhaha wrote:

oh that reminded me of another, although not quite sound it ended up working out:

 

move 12... this was the first time this was played, but there have been a fair number of repeat games (100+), so i guess it can still be called theory? anyway i'll stop now so i don't just post every game i know with an early queen sac xD

I have Igor Stohl's book on kasparov's greatest games, and i have seen this game, good stuff, love it. Poor kramnik, the time controls were rapid i think, grand rapids amsterdam i think.

InfiniteFlash

Nice swirlie pellik



InfiniteFlash

Here is the most famous queen sacrifice ever to be played in the post-kasparov age.



-waller-

White spent years preparing to play this line apparently.

atarw

White probably doesn't have enough comp. in the Mackenzie-Pruess game. 

Its interesting, but not sound.

TetsuoShima

can anyone of you follow the ivanchuk game?

InfiniteFlash
TetsuoShima wrote:

can anyone of you follow the ivanchuk game?

Chess.com did an article on it.

http://www.chess.com/article/view/spectacular-queen-sacrifice

TetsuoShima

thx

InfiniteFlash

I am out of notable opening queen sack ideas Surprised

JMB2010

Mind boggling game with the famed Bronstein variation of the KID (post #8)