Old Indian Defense Theory?

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Rogue_King

The old indian is annoying. It's so equal and drawish when you allow e5 unopposed. Generally a good idea to make it slightly more difficult for black is Nf3-Bf4 and other more indirect ways if they still persist.

Dolphin27

I play the Old Indian. One of the first chess DVDs that IM Andrew Martin ever did was on the Old Indian, it was Foxy DVD #6 "Anti-Flank", and Martin explains how you can use the Old Indian against all flank openings. This was a godsend to me since I often play against Rybka 4, and it opens with c4, Nf3, and g3 just as much as it opens with e4. It was nice to have a system to use against all of them so I don't have to spend study time on theory.

The only thing is Martin recommends blocking the center with c5 if White plays d5 but another more active idea is to play a knight into c5.

There's also something called the Janowski Old Indian where you play an early Bg4.

The New Old Indian book is pretty good too, though it really only covers using the Old Indian against 1.d4. Also that book is kind of advanced. I've only skimmed through it.

I think the people who play things like 1.Nf3 1.g3 1.b3 1.c4 etc are trying to make their opponent feel uncomfortable by taking them out of their main e4 and d4 openings. That's why the Old Indian is so good, it gives you a general development plan you can use against all of them based on getting a pawn stake at e5. You can actually feel your opponent's disappointment when he sees your purposeful development in the face of their vague opening, like they're thinking "ah no, my stupid 1.Nf3 move isn't confusing them like it does to everyone else".

Also people say it's a stodgy opening but I've had some great tactical games, and one game Martin shows in the DVD is him vs I think it was Wolfgang Ullman, but he ending up getting a kingside attack and winning in fantastic tactical style with a killer interference move.

Chicken_Monster
Fifa15coinsvip wrote:

 And it's just a good universal defense. I could care less for philidors defense. I tested and played around with a lot of Fifa 15 Coins e4 defenses and inevitably went back to the French. Looking to do the same with d4.

(1) What are Fifa 15 Coins e4 defenses?

(2) What are you looking to do with d4?

GreenCastleBlock
Chicken_Monster wrote:
Fifa15coinsvip wrote:

 And it's just a good universal defense. I could care less for philidors defense. I tested and played around with a lot of Fifa 15 Coins e4 defenses and inevitably went back to the French. Looking to do the same with d4.

(1) What are Fifa 15 Coins e4 defenses?

(2) What are you looking to do with d4?

This user seems to be a bot that copies others' posts in their entirety but inserts advertising links.  ... interesting approach.

Chicken_Monster

Yeah, I was hesitant to click on it...

TitanCG
XPLAYERJX wrote:

TitanCG wrote:

It's not "bad" but it's certainly passive. I use the exchange Philidor only to avoid theory. KIDs and Sicilians are great but there's a lot of theory and a lot of tabiyas that can be played on autopilot for some time. 

I'm pretty sure everyone that plays the KID or sicilian knows exactly how to get some kind of theoretical attacking position even if they don't understand it. In the Philidor White's advantage is obvious but it doesn't "play itself" either. 

The other point, at least to me, is that I'm only interested in getting a middlegame and playing. I have found that even uncommon openings lead to "normal positions" at some point but without theory as a guide people have to judge the positions on their own.

 

Yeah i rememeber they have a line with f3 and than idea's of queenside castling and like a hack attack in one of those Philidor variations.

 



Yeah Black can play normally with a6, b5 but there is another way after 6...O-O 7.Be3 d5. It can get complicated though.

ArribaMexico

 

RivertonKnight

I think I like the Old Indian!

WCPetrosian
Chicken_Monster wrote:

Someone was telling me, unless I mistunderstood him, that his repertoire for when he is Black consisted Old Indian (Ukrainian Variation) for everything except 1.e4. He would use Philidor for 1.e4. Is this possible? Only knowing Philidor and Old Indian (Ukrainian Variation) for Black? You don't need anything else?

There is a recent book by IM Gerald Welling and FM Steve Giddens titled Side-Stepping Mainline Theory that is about playing the Old Indian and Hanham Philidor when black, and it is also about playing it as white. An entire repertoire in one book.  https://www.newinchess.com/side-stepping-mainline-theory

kindaspongey

https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/9085.pdf

Morphy_Wannabe

I've been playing chess half my life, and got very few wins out of it. In my days of UK club chess, I would always only get to play someone 400-500 points above me, as I only had a rating of 800. Nowadays I play casual games with a friend (who is stronger player) and again find it very difficult to win. The reason? - I try to play either the Philidor or Old Indian Defence as it is supposed to cut down on tactics from the opponent, but as a result, my game has suffered because I can't play actively and with the initiative. My mindset has gone from "playing to win" to "playing at all costs not to lose" so I am no better off as the life has been sucked out of my game.

beechercc
Check out side stepping mainline theory book runs down both systems
Uhohspaghettio1

I feel that like the Philidor it's the sort of opening novice players with no opening theory can fall into. Then they learn that these openings are rarely seen at the higher levels but are dime a dozen among people who don't know what they're doing. It then takes another mental shift and maturity to come back around again and say these setups might have something good to offer after all, especially at the intermediate levels where people rarely see them and may not have a clue how to play against them (and still seen occasionally at the higher ones). Being very defensive also doesn't do a lot for the Old Indian's popularity.

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