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Spectator94

Hello. I am not sure what to do after the following sequence:

The main line continues with 7. b3 but after black's 7.. Qe7 I am not sure what to play for. I once read it's about the e5 square so when you can not play Ba3 to trade the defender of that square (Bd6) you should play Bb2 and strengthen the control over e5. And that is basically all I know. I can not change this move order and still fit my other openings (did research). So what I'm basically asking is: Can anyone provide me new ideas/insights for the White side? Looking forward to replies Smile
 

Spectator94

The engine suggests an immediate 8. Ne5 after b3 but I am always a bit cautious when it comes to engine suggestions in openings.

Saint_Anne

In his book "d4 volume 2" Boris Avrukh covers Nc3 followed by Qc2.  Black has different deployments available, so White has to be prepared for many possibilities.

AlisonHart

So I'm quite a bit below your level, but I play the stonewall as black, and every book will tell you NOT to play ...Bd6 because of c5 - white can't take on d5 anyway (it doesn't break up black's center and sometimes helps free the problem pieces - meaning that it helps your opponent at least as much as it hurts her), so dissipating a little central tension is OK in this instance, and it shoves the bishop back to e7 - where it should be in the first place.

 

Maybe try a combination of c5, Nbd2, Bf4 (if you can sneak it in safely), Ne5 and then follow one knight with the other (Nf3 - Ne5) - just exploit the e5 leak effectively and black is busted. 

Spectator94

Are you sure about that AlisonHart? Because following this exact sequence of moves there's 2178 games with 6.. Bd6 and 93 games with Be7 and then all other moves have 2 or less games. Maybe in other variations Bd6 is not recommended? And doesn't c5 releasing all/some of the tension in the center give black like exactly what he/she wants? Just my first thoughts.

@candyass4ever
Ok that sounds interesting. Do you know more about that setup or should I look up the book first? Being prepared for many possibilities is okay. 

moonnie

There are several good plans. 

  • The normal "human" plan is to put knights on f3 and d3 (Nbd2/Nfe1/Ndf3 and Ned3). Once white gets his setup he has a pleasant position to play. 
  • I personally like Bf4 as well. The idea is that it is not smart for blac to take because the pawn coming to f4 basicly destroys any change of black counterplay and white can slowly start building towards playing e4 and playing against the bad white squared black bishop
 
Spectator94

I did a bit of basic research and I really like the Nc3 and Qc2 setup as mentioned by candyass4ever. I owe him for the advice.

Nh3 is no doubt a viable option but I am always a big fan of developing pieces to its natural squares. In the Benko Gambit fianchetto variation there's f.e. also the possibility to play Nh3, it kind of reminds me of that.
However, what are some typical plans with Nh3? To play Nf4 (or Bf4?) or Ng5? To have the bishop on g2 have an eye on e4? 

LoekBergman

My goal in this opening would be to keep the tension in the centre and give black not the possibility to get rid of his pawn on e6.

To keep that pawn on e6 would I put pressure on e5, for instance playing b3 and Bb2 and Ne1-d3 and Rfe1. After that could you play Nbd2 and Qc2 to make Ne4 more difficult. You can later continu with Nf3 and Nfe5.

cornbeefhashvili

The Nh3 move is for the "human" setup stated earlier. It's a temporary square only used for maneuvering.

Nh3-Nf4-Nd3. The other N goes Nbd2-Nf3. Both knights locking down on the e5 hole.

Spectator94

Meh I really do not want to play that way, thanks for the tip though and I am sure it's fully playable.