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Critical position may come after 12. Qd5 c6 13. Qd2 e4 14. Nd4 e3 15. Qc2 Rae8
Here's what I got by letting Stockfish churn for several hours:
(15...Rae8 Stockfish 4 64 -0.26 (depth 28) 16.Qf5 Qd6 17.Na3 g6 18.Nc4 Qxh2 19.Nf3 Qc7 20.Qf6 Re6 21.Qh4 Re4 22.Qh2 Qxh2 23.Nxh2 Rxc4 24.g3 d5 25.a4 Re8 26.a5 Bc5 27.Nf3 f5 28.Ne1 Rg4 29.b4) (15...Rae8 -0.30 (depth 28) 16.Nf3 Re6 17.a4 a5 18.c4 Rfe8 19.c5 Ba7 20.Nc3 Qe7 21.Ke1 Bxc5 22.Bd3 g6 23.Ba6 Rf6 24.Ne2 Qd6 25.Nc3 Rf5 26.Qe2 Qb8 27.g3)
If not refuted into an indisputably losing position, there seems to be a strong possibility of a forced line leading to Black advantage against the Ponziani.
12.Na3 is a forced draw.
Your position in your game vs ponz111 is worse. White is tied up, and if black wants, he will get a pawn advantage at least.
Correspondence being the key word.
Whatever: my credentials as they are however would make it obvious I'm not "inexperienced at chess and openings in general".
The forced draw line hasn't ended :P
12. Na3 may be just as playable as the 12. Qd5 line: I'm guessing the game has gone 12. Na3 e4 13. Nc4 Rab8 14. Qd5
If so these are the 3 viable lines Stockfish is giving:
(14.Qd5 Stockfish 4 64 -0.26 (depth 26) exf3+ 15.gxf3 Rfe8+ 16.Kd2 Ne4+ 17.fxe4 Bxg1 18.Bd3 c6 19.Qf5 Qxf5 20.exf5 Bxh2 21.b3 d5 22.Na5 c5 23.Kc2 Rb6 24.Bd2 Be5 25.Rh1 Bd6 26.Rh3)
(14.Qd5 -0.26 (depth 25) Nh3 15.Rh1 exf3+ 16.Qxf3 Rfe8+ 17.Kd2 Nf2 18.Qxf6 gxf6 19.Nxb6 Rxb6 20.Rg1 Rd6+ 21.Kc2 Re1 22.Rb1 Rdd1 23.c4 f5 24.h3 d6 25.b4 Ne4 26.g4 Rxf1 27.Rxf1 Rxf1)
(14.Qd5 0.00 (depth 25) Ng4 15.Kd2 exf3 16.Nxb6 f2 17.Rh1 Rxb6 18.Kc2 Ne5 19.b3 Re8 20.Bd2 Qg6+ 21.Bd3 Nxd3 22.Qxd3 Qxg2 23.Qxd7 Qe4+ 24.Qd3 Qb7 25.Qd7 Qe4+)
This Blumzovich is a troll who obviously has something personal against Ponz111 as seen by his attack thread he started about Ponz111 the other day which since has been deleted by the admins.
I have nothing personal against the deluded old fart: I'm the one who sent him step by step instructions on how to set up Stockfish. Then I tried to set up a group where others could analyze his games without discussions in the comments, and I got branded a trouble-maker for my troubles.
Has no bearing on the analysis of the craptastic Ponziani opening though. Feel free to post your contributions if you have any, thanks.
Sorry, I just assumed correctly that you were inexperienced at chess and openings in general and was trying to inform you. I now know that I was wasting my time. Let me know if you ever want to have a real, mature discussion about anything chess-related.
I know so little about chess in fact that your new game is going right down the analysis line I posted. Well played!
I'm beginning to think he is a troll. Instead of understanding the points I was making about why I didn't like his novelty in the Nimzo-Indian, he instead chooses to single out one sentence in my post in order to nit-pick it to death and insult me in the process. What's this guy's malfunction?
You're beginning to think he's a troll? FirebrandX (this sentence is satirical) now I see why people say you use your engine instead of your brain!
In all seriousness, though, blumzovich relies on Stockfish, which is known to be one of the worse analysis engines generally speaking, and does not know how to use modern databases. His 'contributions' to opening theory thus far have been negligible or negative, and he attacks others for no real reason, then gets surprised when people don't take him seriously. If this isn't a troll, I don't know what is.
FirebrandX, what do you think of the recent Ponziani games? Bluebird thinks 12.Qa6 leads to an equal game (although he claimed White had an advantage just two days ago) but I can't see it for the life of me, I would take Black any day. I guess we'll see how his game goes with ponz111.
Here's one of my negligible contributions to opening theory (actually there's an interesting back story: a) White's 8th move is given a !? with no analysis at all in Keene & Kasparov's BCO b) I worked out a forcing line and sent a question to Larry Evans on Chess, which he ultimately modified for usage in his "What's the Best Move" column, and c) as it turns out the position had been analyzed to the 12th move by Staunton in his "Chess Players Handbook"
Anyway, in the Ponziani/Fraser line under discussion, looks like White can hold on and not outright lose, by either 12. Qd5 c6 13. Qd2 e4 14. Nd4 e3 15. Qc2 or 12. Na3 e4 13. Nc4 Rab8 14. Qd5
Case closed. Carry on.
This is a better ponziani discussion without spam.
I am also blocked for no reason. Well, that's good for me. I don't want to argue with someone who doesn't know how to argue. The sky is blue. Or maybe not. But it's there in the sky.
I guess blumzovich closed his account by own desire, as we still can see his posts.
If i was you i get an alarm system ......
..... he might have went a wall and completely lost his mind.
Those kind of people always take out some stranger
or somebody they had an arguement with (hint hint).
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