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What is the best counter towards The Dutch defence?


  • 2 years ago · Quote · #21

    moonnie

    Playing for traps is only a smart idea when if not falling for it by your opponent does not give allow black free play If he plays 4. ...c6 instead of the silly move 4. .. d5 the game should be about equal.

    Not a great result for white equality after 4 moves.  

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #22

    9thEagle

    I recommend 2.Nc3. Then you can put your Bishop on g5, and point all your pieces at black's kingside. If you're really feeling mighty, you can even castle queenside and just ram the -h and -g pawns into his castled king.  I've had very good results with this.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #23

    blasterdragon

    moonnie wrote:

    Playing for traps is only a smart idea when if not falling for it by your opponent does not give allow black free play If he plays 4. ...c6 instead of the silly move 4. .. d5 the game should be about equal.

    Not a great result for white equality after 4 moves.  

    lol of course c6 is mainline but capablanca played this so you can't say its bad

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #24

    Fear_ItseIf

    depends on move order.

    1.d4 f5 2.Bg5!!!  is great.

    But people may enter through an e6 move order.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #25

    blasterdragon

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #26

    blasterdragon

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #27

    moonnie

    @jempty: e6 looks weak to me. White wont ofcourse play e4 but c4 transforming into a rather favorable variation of the english as black will be forced to play e6-e5 later on.

    Nc6 looks like a good try indeed. Perhaps also than c4 transforming to the f5/e5 english that is known to favor white lightly but is certainly playable

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #28

    BTP_Excession

    The Dutch often leads to a messy game where tactics triumph.

    It isn't easy to find a quiet position with small but peristent advantage for White - which is what a lot of c4 or d4 players are looking for of course.

    That said there are a lot of choices for white before Black even gets to pick his favorite version - at least if he plays 1..f5 - the anti-Dutch systems include 2. g4, 2. e4 and 2. Bg5. Also you can defer Bg5 until after 2. Nc3.

    All of these avoid the main Leningrad/Stonewall and Classical lines for Black. And whilst none are going to be a bust of the Dutch vs an engine, in over the table play where you know your preferred variation better than he does, Black is going to have a tough time. The 2.e4 and 2.or 3. Bg5 lines are probably good for equality even with perfect play by Black. The 2.g4 line is a little more suspect.

    In terms of setting nasty traps the 2.Bg5 line is probably the hardest for Black to meet if he isn't very ready for it.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #29

    blasterdragon

    moonnie wrote:

    Playing for traps is only a smart idea when if not falling for it by your opponent does not give allow black free play If he plays 4. ...c6 instead of the silly move 4. .. d5 the game should be about equal.

    Not a great result for white equality after 4 moves.  

    why would you think black has reached equality in 4 moves?

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #30

    Atyo473

    the dutch defense never gave me a good feeling on the board playing with the black pieces.


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