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Chess.com Proposal for Fixing Game Disconnects/Adjourned Games
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As I said before, I like. Copying over post-proposal ideas from the previous thread:
- Limit disconnect-resumes to three per person per game (to avoid abuse and frustration if this happens a dozen times). --- likesforests.
- It may not be necessary to implement the adjourn feature because players will claim the win on time 99% of the time after 90 seconds. -- jay.
- Don't stop the clock for 90s. Instead, let the clock run then add 90s when the player reconnects (limits last-second disconnects to find wins) --ih8sens.
Sadly it is being abused people are using it to get away from a losing game.
After getting adjourned game from someone who was clearly losing from me. He made the game adjourned. moments later he's playing another game with someone els.
Plss turn back this option or give players the option to request no adjourned games. At least this way i know i get finished games and not adjourned games.
James
JamesCarp> Sadly it is being abused people are using it to get away from a losing game.
Do you have any thoughts on Erik's proposal, above?
The current implementation has many, many err... quirks! The proposal above is Erik's attempt (based on community feedback) to remedy the situation.
Nov 10, 2008
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JMCrockett wrote:
i like the idea but I think 90 seconds may be too short. I recall once playing a game, while Microsoft was busy updating my machine. I didn't notice that it was happening and was suddenly rebooted after it took over control. It took me awhile to get my machine back because of the software patch being applied at the time.
Admittedly, that is a rare & freaky occurrence - but I think 90 seconds may not allow enough time for people to recover if the disconnect is truely accidental. I realize you have to draw the line somewhere and another person is tied up waiting for you to return. I can live with it...
I'm not sure I understand the 10% disconnect rule with more than 5 games. That wording seems unclear. The intent seems to punish habitual disconnectors and discourage the behavior. I don't have a problem with that per se but I would suggest that you allow these people to resign their adjourned games to get back into good graces.
i agree that it may be too short in x% of cases, but i think we would all rather put up with those scenarios than have to sit and wait when our opponent disconnects and doesn't come back for some reason. i was going to do 60 seconds (other servers do that), but decided to bump it to 90 seconds. if you are installing windows updates in the background, that is kinda your risk ;)
10% disconnect rule is that if you disconnect (meaning disconnect and do NOT come back within 90 seconds) more than 10% of the time you will be classified as a "disconnector". if you want to get back into good graces then you can play more games and not disconnect :)
"after those 90 seconds, if the game is more than 4 ply (2 moves each) then the window gives you 3 options:" I assume that if it is less than 6 ply it is the same except there is no claim win option. Is this correct?
Nov 10, 2008
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exigentsky wrote:
"after those 90 seconds, if the game is more than 4 ply (2 moves each) then the window gives you 3 options:" I assume that if it is less than 6 ply it is the same except there is no claim win option. Is this correct?
if 4 ply or less then the game just aborts automatically.
how does it work at the moment? I was just disconnected right at the end of a 1 0 game. One of us, I think me, was about to lose on time. I reconnected thinking I'd get a popup or something and I could attempt to thrash out some moves, but nothing, and nothing in the seeks or games windows either. There is also nothing in the livechess archive bit, so where has this game gone? Also, does it matter that I had to close the livechess window and then join again, rather than click the reconnect button? The reconnect option has never worked for me; it just spends ages pretending to reconnect.
I think that you guys are really getting close on this Live Chess format, and I compliment you on the work. Concerning the Adournment issue, I just wishthat it was mentioned before implemented. I do think tha once again, Erik's solution sounds good to me... I know that for myself, I can easily log back on within 90 seconds. Thanks. Chess,com is my favorite site by far.
JMCrockett wrote:
erik wrote: if you want to get back into good graces then you can play more games and not disconnect :)
Okay, I understand that thought ... and I like the idea of forcing disconnectors to play against themselves.
But, if you are flagged as a disconnector it might be hard to get any game. It is likely you will be shunned. That would make it hard to demonstrate a reformed behavior. Perhaps after a set period of time (say 10 days) you should reset the disconnector status - if they repeat the offense make it 20 days and keep adding...
I disagree with the original "flagged disconnector", and I agree here with the idea above. All the other ideas seems reasonable and fair to me.
Having read all the previous forum, and all of this one, Erik, your plan is a beautiful fusion of the ideas presented. The thought of having to wait 10 mins for someone to reconnect(idea from previous thread) to continue a 10-0 blitz game had me shopping for a new tournament to join.
Just another example of why this site continues to be the best. Hurrah! Thanks to all for an informative and spirited debate. Now, how to make a flow chart to better explain my pleasure... 
"adjournment" is abused by many;whenever a lost position is arrived,players adjourn.
suggestion: Adjournment should be mutually agreed as a draw.
Have a look at who adjourns and at what position to get an idea.
thanks
S.M.Mohan
i like it there is nothing worse then making a push for a checkmate and seeing ajourned popup it happen twice last knight
I dont know how this works. I dont win that many games, It is hard to almost mate someone and 30 seconds before his time runs out he disconnects for adjourment. What is the point here. You sit down to play a game, if you dont have time to complete then dont play live chess?
Nov 10, 2008
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on somedays i have 25 percent of my games being disconnected
so even one game disconnected costs you points
my score was 1400 and now before i started winning again and now i am back to 1250
after reading all of the proposals and feedback here:http://www.chess.com/forum/view/community/chesscom-needs-your-input---live-chess-games-adjourned
i propose the following:
if a player A disconnects then player B sees a popup window that says "Your opponent has disconnected and has [90] seconds to reconnect and resume this game."
after those 90 seconds, if the game is more than 4 ply (2 moves each) then the window gives you 3 options:
- claim win
- abort game (no result, nobody wins, no rating changes)
- adjourn game
you could also wait longer and your opponent can auto-resume as long as you keep that window open (until you close the session or window, in which case the game would adjourn).
if player A reconnects within 90 seconds (or beyond if you permit) then they can resume with no time penalty (time goes back to what it was before the disconnect). the game then continues as before.
if player B decides to adjourn the game, then it is held as an adjourned game for up to 7 days. if it is not finished by then, then the original disconnector (player A) loses. if both players are online then the adjourned game will show up in the SEEKS list at the top. then either player can click on RESUME. then the other player gets a popup and they have to decide - CONTINUE, or DECLINE and lose! if they disconnect before an answer, then they choose to lose (to prevent people from just disconnecting when proposed with the decision).
if BOTH players are disconnected (due to chess.com server issue, bad luck, or whatever), then the soonest player to reconnect starts the 90 second timer. then we start back over at the scenario above.
here are some additional points:
- you can only have 3 adjourned games at a time. if you get another one, you forfeit your oldest adjourned game.
- if you get more than 10% disconnects (with minimum of 5 games and defined as games where you disconnected and did not resume within 90 seconds) then you get the following penalties: you can no longer accept open seeks (except those from other "disconnectors"); when you post a seek your name is red and your seek is at the bottom of the list - everyone will know you are a "disconnector".
- adjourned games do NOT show up in the live chess game archive (to prevent cheating by studying the position).
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i like my proposal for a few reasons:
- pretty simple, yet fair
- no adjudication!
- allows for players to decide how to handle the disconnect
- punishes disconnectors
thoughts?? :)