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artfizz

It is fascinating (but not surprising) to note, that among the 239 elements on chess.com's country list, the following ones ...

Country

Flag

ISO 3166-1-alpha-2 code

Members

Percent

Avg. Rating

Catalonia

 

 

56

0.02%

1556

Channel Islands

 

 

18

0.01%

814

Curacao

 

 

28

0.01%

1024

England

 

 

3543

1.12%

1362

Galicia

 

 

16

0.01%

1297

Great Britain

 

 

848

0.27%

1300

Holland

 

 

184

0.06%

1474

International

 

 

325

0.1%

1503

Kosovo

 

 

55

0.02%

1497

Northern Ireland

 

 

109

0.03%

1122

Pago Pago

 

 

46

0.01%

1178

Saint Croix

 

 

26

0.01%

1062

Saint John

 

 

9

0%

0

Saint Thomas

 

 

14

0%

1448

Scotland

 

 

604

0.19%

1365

Serbia-Montenegro

 

 

154

0.05%

1273

Wales

 

 

395

0.12%

1339

Western Samoa

 

 

14

0%

1335

Yugoslavia

 

 

164

0.05%

1217

do not have an International Organisation for Standardization (ISO) country code - according to standard 3166: English country names and code elements 

http://www.iso.org/iso/country_codes/iso_3166_code_lists/

   and follow link to English country names and code elements

 

broze

I'm sure Serbia has one!!

artfizz

yeah, EXCEPT for Serbia!

broze

Senegal is also listed!!??

artfizz

True, but you're helping me make the point that merging a list of official ISO 3166 country names with a list of well-known country names is perplexing!

Pago Pago is a capital city - not a country.

broze

Hehe, Yeah, you're right.

It's VERY weird that ther's a Holland and a Netherlands and that some people think they still live in "Yugoslavia" as opposed to Macedonia.  I am surprised however that Kosovo isn't mentioned in the ISO seeing as most of the world regards it as a country.

 

ps. Nauru is also listed.

artfizz

I suppose somebody knows where all these places are (including Nauru!).

It all adds spice to the exercise of mapping countries to groups for the purpose of creating nation-associated teams ...

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/community/new-group-team-canada-teams-for-each-country-discuss

artfizz

Arguably more alarming is that the following ISO 3166 countries are absent from chess.com's country list.

 

Country

Flag

ISO 3166-1-alpha-2 code

Åland Islands

 

 AX

Antarctica

 

AQ

Bouvet Island

 

BV

British Indian Ocean Territory

 

 IO

Burkina Faso

 

BF

Christmas Island

 

CX

Cocos (Keeling) Islands

 

CC

Cook Islands

 

CK

French Guiana

 

GF

French Polynesia

 

PF

French Southern Territories

 

TF

Heard Island and Mcdonald Islands

 

 HM

Mayotte

 

YT

Netherlands Antilles

 

AN

New Caledonia

 

NC

Niue

 

NU

Norfolk Island

 

NF

Northern Mariana Islands

 

MP

Pitcairn

 

PN

Réunion

 

RE

Saint Barthélemy

 

BL

Saint Helena

 

SH

Saint Martin

 

MF

Svalbard and Jan Mayen

 

SJ

Tokelau

 

 TK

Turks and Caicos Islands

 

TC

United States Minor Outlying Islands

 

 UM

Wallis and Futuna

 

WF

How are the penguins supposed to play?

erik

really? that is alarming? :)

artfizz
erik wrote: really? that is alarming? :)

Perhaps calling it 'alarming' was a little alarmist. I do feel it is noteworthy.

More worthy of note, though, are the lengths to which chess.com has gone to provide 'country labels' - that just over 100% (on average) of the globe can call their 'home'. This includes providing 2nd (e.g. Holland and The Netherlands) and, in some cases, even 3rd (e.g. England, Great Britain and the United Kingdom) home countries.

If only Britain, itself were also present, then some lucky people could enjoy the luxury of FOUR home countries.

(A quick note on the FORUMlae:  

  • England + Wales = Britain.
  • Britain + Scotland = Great Britain.
  • Great Britain + Northern Ireland = United Kingdom.)
broze

And the "British Isles" is the whole shabang!

artfizz
broze wrote: And the "British Isles" is the whole shabang!

Does the 'British Empire' still include America? Or is it merely a chain of cinemas?

maartenotten

yes I noticed it before that Holland is listed as a country but its only a region! so coulnd that be changed?

artfizz
maartenotten wrote: yes I noticed it before that Holland is listed as a country but its only a region! so could that be changed?

To the outside world (i.e. outside the Nederlands), Holland is synonymous with the Netherlands.

The onus (it seems to me) is on those who have signed up for the Netherlands to encourage those who signed up to Holland - to re-designate their country of origin as the Netherlands.

Then there would be a stronger case for either removing Holland (the label!) or combining Netherlands/(Holland).

 Netherlands          2435                0.76%           1438                          duub (2563)  


 Holland  187        
 0.06%  1507  linksspringer (2529)

Billium248
artfizz wrote:
England + Wales = Britain.
Britain + Scotland = Great Britain.
Great Britain + Northern Ireland = United Kingdom.)

 Thanks.  I've wondered this very thing, trying to figure out what the difference was between them.

artfizz
linksspringer wrote:

lol, I changed from Netherlands to Holland just because I could!


Nothing to do with being #1 in Holland but only #2 in the Netherlands, clearly.   :)

artfizz

The last lines of Wilfred Owen's anti-war poem (http://www.warpoetry.co.uk/owen1.html) are instructive ...

My friend, you would not tell with such high zest  
To children ardent for some desperate glory,  
The old Lie; Dulce et Decorum est  
Pro patria mori.

and may bring a sense of perpective to the wrangling about nation-based chess groups.

Kacparov

:)

smileative

Art, I always thought the last two were the other way round - that Britain + Scotland = U.K., (act of union 1707 (I think)) an' Great Britain included Northern Ireland - I've many times seen the phrase 'UK and Norhern Ireland', but never 'Britain and N.I.'

Are u sure you're right ? if so, I've been labouring under a misapprehension for a bloody long time Smile

artfizz
smileative wrote:

Art, I always thought the last two were the other way round - that Britain + Scotland = U.K., (act of union 1707 (I think)) an' Great Britain included Northern Ireland - I've many times seen the phrase 'UK and Norhern Ireland', but never 'Britain and N.I.'

Are u sure you're right ? if so, I've been labouring under a misapprehension for a bloody long time


Wikipedia agrees with me so I'm probably on shaky ground!

The phrase you may have misheard is "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (commonly known as the United Kingdom, the UK or Britain)".