well done artfizz,
this should be retained and mandatory reading for everyone every few months! But especially relevant to this time a year as we contemplate the things we are thankful for.....
kudos to chess.com, the staff (except when they censored my comments in a forum! lol) and all the members supporting the site!
If the Original Poster opts to delete his or her original post, ALL of the subsequent conversation disappears as well. Is this such a good idea?
Equally, if the original poster closes his or her account, all of the topics they initiated get lost. This doesn't seem entirely sensible.
For instance, does anyone remember this dialogue ? ...
Rael wrote: Hey everyone,
I had what I think might be an interesting idea that, should we work it through properly, with necessary help from high rated players, might leave us with an interesting chart (*summons artfizz *). If nothing else, it might also spur some interesting discussions.
Basically my idea is as follows; I thought we could try and describe general playing tendencies according to rating ranges. I’m too much the patzer to come up with some of the specifics, which is why I can only kick it off with some silly examples.
For instance, something rough like;
900; often neglects development, regularly hangs pieces, often pushes a & h pawns and develops rooks early, sometimes misses mates-in-1, etc.
1250; little to no knowledge of opening theory or principles, often makes uncoordinated attacks, often immediately trades pieces should the opportunity arise, sometimes hangs pieces, often sees mates-in-1.
1350; Follows opening principles, often is comfortable with one or two opening systems, usually anticipates forks, understands basic tactical ideas (pins, discoveries)
1450; Preliminary understanding of ideas like maintaining the tension, creating imbalances…
1550 and up; I can kindof imagine but barely, in as much as I've never cracked this... ???
Well, you can see something of what I’m imagining here. Maybe it would work if we made a list of tendencies like “Recognises Mates-in-3” or “Recognises Forks” running along one axis and then tally “Almost always, Usually, Sometimes, Rarely, Never”, I dunno – artfizzand excelguru are the… gurus of that.
If you think that it’s too difficult to assess, or not a worthwhile cause du jour, that’s cool. Maybe it’s not, maybe it’s too difficult to really pin down?
Just an idea.
Would it not be a reasonable idea, where a complete forum topic would otherwise disappear because the originator has disappeared - due to
AND where many others have contributed to that forum topic, for ownership of that forum topic or article to be transferred to a ghost_of_originator account. In that way, the efforts of other contributors/commentators is not thrown away.
Blogs and articles are a different case. These represent a completed work, and clearly belong to the originator in their entirety. Any subsequent comments, contributions or annotations are incidental to the original work.
Threads that are deleted explicitly by staff/moderators obviously will not get preserved anywhere.
Forum posts being deleted can make for some confusing threads where comments are made in response to something that is no longer there.
here's one you probably wont get unless you know a lot about american drummers.
nice one artfizz
reasonable idea. this will be discussed when we re-do how content works on Chess.com this year.
The site is still the best there is. It is what we make of it. There is just
the wake of loss right now. Time will heal, and the energy level will
get back to where it was. It is like when a great roommate moves out.
First your bummed, then you realize he never helped with the dishes.
When a member leaves, cancelling their account, all the posts they
started completely delete. As a result all the other members posts
are also deleted.
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"Equally, if the original poster closes his or her account, all of the topics they initiated get lost. This doesn't seem entirely sensible." + 2ndexample of disappeared post |
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"Would it not be a reasonable idea, … for ownership of that forum topic or article to be transferred to a ghost_of_originator account. In that way, the efforts of other contributors/commentators is not thrown away." |
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Posts explicitly or indirectly deleted from the middle of a conversation lead to the conversation no longer making sense |
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Random comment – simulating removal of earlier comment – and hence the conversation not making sense |
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Enquiry about the random comment – and that the conversation does not make sense |
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Notes the humour of this situation |
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Referring back to post 4: suggestion is reasonable |
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All loss is painful – specifically when well-known contributors leave this site |
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Chess.com's Terms of Service say that they will delete the content of terminated accounts ...
Termination of your Chess.com account includes ... (b) deletion of your password and all related information, files and content associated with or inside your account (or any part thereof), and ...
but wouldn't it be a better idea to replace the text of deleted posts by {DELETED} so that it was clear something had been there (that subsequent posts may be referring to)? Then, the sequence numbering will also be preserved.
Would it not be a reasonable idea, where a complete forum topic would otherwise disappear because the originator has disappeared - due to
1. account closed voluntarilyAND where many others have contributed to that forum topic, for ownership of that forum topic or article to be transferred to a ghost_of_originator account. In that way, the efforts of other contributors/commentators is not thrown away.
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The 3rd case was fixed some time back by transferring ownership of the topic to the second contributor, I believe.
For the 1st and 2nd cases, the entire topic still disappears, I reckon.
Would it not be a reasonable idea, where a complete forum topic would otherwise disappear because the originator has disappeared - due to
1. account closed voluntarilyAND where many others have contributed to that forum topic, for ownership of that forum topic or article to be transferred to a ghost_of_originator account. In that way, the efforts of other contributors/commentators is not thrown away.
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The 3rd case was fixed some time back by transferring ownership of the topic to the second contributor, I believe.
For the 1st and 2nd cases, the entire topic still disappears, I reckon.
The 3rd case is changed again, with posters no longer able to delete a posting completely; when you try to delete, your content is replaced by [COMMENT DELETED].
webmaster wrote: (http://blog.chess.com/webmaster/site-enhancements---20110630) :
The other thing very cool thing we did today is to add protection for the contributions of past members. Some people have created a LOT of wonderful content on Chess.com before voluntarily closing their accounts - probably on the advice of a marriage counsellor, we figure... And up till now, that content disappeared as soon as their account was closed.
Now we have a choice - so we don’t have to treat everybody like spammers or abusive users. Don’t be surprised if you see some old names suddenly reappearing in historical forums, blogs, & articles; we just got a lot of great content back!
Way to go!
Congratulations, artfizz! A two and a half year wait for you there
Patience is my middle name (and not a lot of people know that).
If the Original Poster opts to delete his or her original post, ALL of the subsequent conversation disappears as well. Is this such a good idea?
For instance, does anyone remember this dialogue ...
somebody wrote:
From time to time I log on to this site. (Every time hopeful that the live site will be more playable......) But that aside, when I log on, I read the forum threads and sadly the quality of contributions have diminished...
Is the chess.com community going to shambles?
artfizz wrote:
Oh no, it hasn't! Or if it has: has the quality of your own contributions diminished as well? There are, I will grant you, quite a few light-weight threads about nothing in particular (I know this because I've started some of them!). If you have been on the site for a while, you will have seen all of the popular topics being discussed again and again (and again) - and this aspect itself being discussed.
If you want puzzles, there are puzzles, If you want game analysis, there's that as well. There's humour, acrimony and desperation - a bit of everything. Behind the scenes, there's blood and toil and goodness knows what to keep improving the facilities.
Let's hear some critcisms! Be specific! Be forthright (but diplomatic)! Be off with you!
erik wrote:
already beyond repair. this is a terrible place. it's so bad that everyone is leaving or has already left. save yourselves!!!
slowhand wrote:
TOP TEN REASONS WHY I'LL CHOOSE NOT TO SAVE MYSELF: 1) .........oh nevermind I'm going back to watch a grandmaster play at LIVE CHESS.com
phishcake5 wrote:
Beautiful, just beautiful.
Come on people. These forums are what you put into them. It takes work to start and contribute quality here! So hey, do that research, analyse that game, upload those photographs, do some creative writing and thinking.
I'll tell you something, we are blessed to have what you have here. Nuff said.