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ozzie_c_cobblepot

NM Reb, I respectfully disagree - I think that one should never punish timeouts directly. To continue the stock analogy above, the market will correct. Either active TMs will remove He Who Must Not Be Named from the roster of yet-to-begin events, or HWMNBN will violate the "days per move" rule (for him it must be going through the roof).

I am still against a punishment of any sort. I just don't see the logic.


TheOldReb
ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:

NM Reb, I respectfully disagree - I think that one should never punish timeouts directly. To continue the stock analogy above, the market will correct. Either active TMs will remove He Who Must Not Be Named from the roster of yet-to-begin events, or HWMNBN will violate the "days per move" rule (for him it must be going through the roof).

I am still against a punishment of any sort. I just don't see the logic.


The logic behind any punishment is always to discourage similar behavior from the one punished as well as others. What he is doing isnt fair to hundreds of opponents. When we have to pay speeding tickets for example, the logic is to discourage us from speeding.


TheGrobe

I still think that the time-out protection has undermined the integrity of the timeout percentage statistic: http://www.chess.com/forum/view/community/singificance-of-timeout--diluted

 

The "market" needs the proper information in order to correct.

 


ozzie_c_cobblepot
NM Reb: I don't see what He Who Must Not Be Named is doing as unfair, for the most part. I think it is unfair to opponents who were beating him by a bit and now only get 1 rating point, and it is certainly unfair if he returns and plays at 1800 strength from a 900 rating. But timing out just for the sake of timing out, I see it as a no-op. Let's say he's in a tournament and is now timing out over the past week or so. Isn't it almost as though he wasn't in the tournament at all?
erik
we're thinking this over :) hopefully we'll have an equitable solution.
Dozy

From where I sit (in the Antipodes, of course, so we may see things differently down here) the problem has already solved itself.

We're probably looking at a rather bad case of obsessive-compulsive disorder and HWMNBN got himself caught up looking for that elusive 1000 game simul. While this was happening his vacation time was dwindling and when it ran out (as predicted earlier) he imploded.

The biggest problem he created for others was the way he slowed down tournaments to a point where everybody was held up waiting for him. That can't happen again because his >20% timeout rate will prevent him entering any more.

After that it comes down to individual games.  I never accept challenges from people with a time-out rate above 10% unless I know there was a good reason for them failing to complete their games.

So, from down here in Oz, it looks as though the problem will be history in the next few days.

Let's remember that he is a platinum member and is entitled to play here. Whether he can actually find the kind of play he wants after this fiasco is another matter.  

BTW, I've played quite a few games with HWMNBN and found him pleasant and reasonably quick (sometimes rapid) to play.  It was only when his games level passed about 500 that it all became too much for him. 


gramos9956

I believe the person at issue is not intentionally losing his games.  I am pretty sure there must be some reason going on in his life which has caused him to be away, not play his games, and start timing out.  I just hope and pray he and his family are ok.


jay
hondoham wrote:

i sold two shares of LB at 1155 and 1156.  i wish i could have sold them at peak value in the 1700+ range.  Hopefully, i'll be able to unload the next 2 shares at 750+ prices.  if the market kicks back in, i'm screwed, because the stocks should be priced in the 1800+ range.


WOW, THAT IS FUNNIEST THING I'VE READ IN A LONG WHILE!  Had me in tears.


Ellbert

Yes it is possible for a human to remember all the games that they are playing and enjoy them and win a lot. Some are even called GrandMaster's at Chess.

 


TheGrobe
Dozy wrote:

From where I sit (in the Antipodes, of course, so we may see things differently down here) the problem has already solved itself.

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I'd say that this instance of the problem has resolved itself, but that the problem itself still exists and will continue to until a proactive way of preventing someone with this compulsion from entering your tournaments is made available.  (Akin to the current timeout % restrictions).

I also think that the same restrictions that are available for tournaments, including anything that might get implemented to address this, should also be made available for seeks.


ozzie_c_cobblepot
Looks like the admins may have reset the rating higher.
omnipaul

He won one on time and jumped up over 600 rating points.

 


ozzie_c_cobblepot
No there are some weird things going on with the rating history, it's not just the win on time (look at the last 10 or so games).
omnipaul
You're right.  I went back and looked at his game history, and that one where his rating reset to 1600 is the only "weird" one.  Many of his more recent games consisted of 0-2 moves, and wouldn't have been rated anyway.  By the way, I looked at that one where he went back up to 1600 and that one also was a zero-move game.  I'm guessing, then, that it was just coincidental timing that the admins reset his rating (or whatever happened) just before that game finished.
erik
we have put into place a new system to take care of this kind of thing. now a player's rating won't plummet so much when they keep losing on timeouts. it will fall some, and then stay there. their timeout % will still go up though.
Loomis

There are times when I've noticed that something is probably up with an opponent because they have timed out in several consecutive games. I feel a little bad taking the victory because maybe something bad happened and I should give them time to get back to chess.com. But I realize if I let them off the hook by not claiming the time victory the next several players on their list will claim victories and then I'm the one losing out because if I win later it's against a lower rated opponent.

 

So far, I've just shrugged and let it go because ratings tend to take care of themselves (as of now, I'm well aware I am over rated), but I figure it's worth a mention in this context. Always appreciate the staff thinking about these things. 


jay
Yes, after a lot of thought and discussion and some coding, we have now implemented a new system to deal with these types of players who go AWOL. After 5 consecutive timeouts, the rating of the player is frozen and all subsequent timeouts will award the other player a win according to that frozen rating. We have adjusted his rating back up to 1600 to more accurately reflect his skill level.
Bodhidharma

A number of perspectives have been voiced here already so I won't repeat them. Yes, Lord Voldemort ( damn! I named the one that must not be named ) may be entitled to sign up for whatever number of games he likes but question is whether he gives enough attention to them, to give everyone he plays with, a  honest and decent game. Obviously, with the number of games, he can't.

Imagine the lack of satisfaction of all of us who endeavoured to do our best in our games with him, only to "win" by time-out. I think that if we accord someone enough respect by playing decently, I believe there should be some reciprocity. It's the same as if we are disappointed by someone who makes his moves willy-nilly.

I for one will resign in my future games with him if I come across him again - it's just a waste of time ( I still have 2 games with him which he hasn't started ( 2 tourneys ) - I wait to see if he cares to redeem himself ).


ozzie_c_cobblepot

Along these lines, I had this one attack in a game, the imbalance was 3 pawns for a piece (but the 3 pawns were all in front of his king) and then, after I had calculated that it was a pretty good line for me, ......... he lost on time. It was not He Who Must Not Be Named, but it reflected well enough the sense of loss that one gets after a timeout in a game in which you have invested yourself.

That being said, until this post I had forgotten about it. So, it's really not a big deal. Now that chess.com adminship has solved the multiple consecutive timeout rating problem, and presumably they are looking into "sandbagging" via resignation, this is a non-problem now, in my view.


jbduhadaway
I would like to know the logic in giving back the AWOL  players their points? This seems to rewards player that have bit off  more than they can chew that just walk away.  To me, they should have their rating hit as hard as possible and punished.