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NEPatriots27

What is the Hardest mate to accomplish I think the hardest is the (King+Rook vs King)

EuropeanSon

King and two bishops vs King

NEPatriots27

1. 2 Bishop + King vs. King

2.King + Rook vs. King

Niven42

King + Rook vs. King is actually pretty easy.  The classic ending is always against the side of the board.  Other pieces can complicate it, though.

 

Niven42

Also, from Wikipedia:

"...in May 2006, Bourzutschky and Konoval discovered a KQNKRBN position with an astonishing DTC (Depth to Checkmate) of 517 moves."

This may be the hardest mate (with a known sequence of forced moves) to date.

(KQNKRBN, if you're not familiar with the notation, means King + Queen + Knight vs. King + Rook + Bishop + Knight)

NEPatriots27

BUT IT can still be hard

Nytik

Ok, with 6 pieces on the board (including kings) the longest, and therefore probably hardest, checkmate comes from this position:

Of course, for this checkmate to be possible, we must ignore the 50-move rule!
Nytik
Niven42 wrote:

Also, from Wikipedia:

"...in May 2006, Bourzutschky and Konoval discovered a KQNKRBN position with an astonishing DTC (Depth to Checkmate) of 517 moves."

This may be the hardest mate (with a known sequence of forced moves) to date.

(KQNKRBN, if you're not familiar with the notation, means King + Queen + Knight vs. King + Rook + Bishop + Knight)


Interestingly, Wikipedia seems to be incorrect on this matter. (Surprise, surprise!) The longest mate discovered is indeed with KQNkrbn, however it is not 517 moves until mate, but 517 moves until a conversion into a simpler endgame! Namely, KQNkbn. It will in fact take even MORE moves to finish the opponent off. The original position is thus:

And, 517 moves later, white finally wins the black rook, and thus converts into this endgame:
So, the final question is, how many moves will it take to get from here to checkmate? Well, a quick glance at a Nalimov Tablebase tells me that the answer is 8 moves.
Therefore, the longest checkmate discovered so far is 525 moves! Perhaps I should edit that Wikipedia article.
Marvin2

i agree with you. one rook with a king and a king is reaaly hard.

NEPatriots27

bishop + knight + king vs. king

 here is a video link on this mate   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjW5Naq7iVw

NEPatriots27

i at least bet theres a capture in like every 49 moves or so :P

Nytik
RainbowRising wrote:

If you have a theoretical forced mate then, such as the 500+ one, does the 50 move rule count? I mean, you are technically attempting to win by normal means...


Unfortunately not. In the past, FIDE implemented 75- or even 100-move extensions in certain situations, for example queen vs. two bishops. However, these days it is a fixed 50 moves. This is because all endgames that require over 50 moves involve seemingly random moves that are impossible to find by humans in OTB play.

NEPatriots27

what about  2 pawns + King vs. King ! i have rarely seen this b4 .-----

David_Spencer

"i have rarely seen this b4 .----- "

Off topic, but I doubt you've ever seen it before. That position is impossible since Black's only legal last move was Kb8-a8 and in that situation the pawn can't be at a7 (if it was, Black would have been in check from the pawn after the move before as well, which is illegal). It's not important, but I just found your choice of words coupled with the position somewhat ironic and thought others may find it funny as well.

idosheepallnight

The hardest forced checkmate is this position:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Someday in the far future it may be possible for a computer to "solve" chess. In that case a computer will calculate all variations possible with a forced checkmate in every variation effectively "solving chess".

So therefore this is the hardest mate, albet its not yet (or perhaps/probably never will be) solved. However, that doesnt stop us from trying every day :>

NEPatriots27

well your your right about that i have rarely seen it before , but like what about this mate- Queen + Rook + King vs. King      Checkmate in the middle of the board-

Flipperbw
idosheepallnight wrote:

The hardest forced checkmate is this position:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Someday in the far future it may be possible for a computer to "solve" chess. In that case a computer will calculate all variations possible with a forced checkmate in every variation effectively "solving chess".

So therefore this is the hardest mate, albet its not yet (or perhaps/probably never will be) solved. However, that doesnt stop us from trying every day :>


I'd bet the computations will find that best play ends in a draw.

NEPatriots27

we know the easiest mate is probably fools mat or whatever this is called- 

NEPatriots27

what about 2 knights + king vs. King -

NEPatriots27
RainbowRising wrote:

Also, K vs K+ R is a piece of cake. All you need to do is keep cutting the enemy K off from the file/rank, and make waiting moves to achieve the opposition to push him back. Mating with BB or BN is much harder.


 but there can be a lot of back and forth moves