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2nd February 2008, 07:45am
#1
by Am3692
Newbury Park, CA United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 368

I was playing online against someone clearly weaker, but I wondering if this was a good trap to play against greedy players...

 If you have the free time, please visit my blog to view my other games that could be considered a waste of space/chess thinking, so I don't bother positing it to the forum...

 

EDIT: Benws pointed out that this is not a trap, which I didn't know the terminology then, but this is hope chess, that happened to work. Thanks for all the comments (the useful ones) so far, since I am going to practice more and hopefully play better with the info I learned


2nd February 2008, 08:18am
#2
by Ray_Brooks
Heart of Darkness England
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 951

1. It's not a trap.

2. It's not even a good tactic, if white plays 14 Bd5 you are just a piece down.

 


2nd February 2008, 10:07am
#3
by NM GreenLaser
Chester, NY United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 463
Am3692 said, "I was playing online against someone clearly weaker." Using a rating difference of 1301 to 1283 is not enough to say clearly weaker. If you played six games and made a good score, then you have more to go on. In the game, 14.Bd5 was not necessary because as played 19.Be3 was safe. That prevents Bd4 and prepares Qd1. Black has 19...Bc3 20.Rd1 Qh1+ 21.Ke2 Qh5+ 22.f3 Qh2+ 23.Bf2 Bd4 24.Rf1 with the idea of playing Qe1 followed by c3 or Rh1.
2nd February 2008, 01:02pm
#4
by Am3692
Newbury Park, CA United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 368
Ray_Brooks wrote:

1. It's not a trap.

2. It's not even a good tactic, if white plays 14 Bd5 you are just a piece down.

 


 Thank you, all I need to need to know. All I want to know if it was a good tactic to use on weaker/greedy players. And as for the rating part, this was online, so accuracy of rating is not solid. A stronger player would have seen Bd5 like Ray_brooks said, but he played the greedy path. All I want on opinions on fashioning a combination that works on those who keeps capturing over tactics, and if the one I played in this game was a good start.


2nd February 2008, 01:22pm
#5
by likesforests
United States
Member Since: May 2007
Member Points: 2324

Am3692> All I want to know if it was a good tactic to use on weaker/greedy players

 

Against weaker players, you don't need risky traps, and against an equal or better player 12...Rb8 is a poor move since there are many ways White could have gained  a big material advantage. Eg, 13.Bxc6 Bxh3 14.gxh3 bxc6 15.Rxb8 Qxb8 16.Bxe7 +-.


2nd February 2008, 01:27pm
#6
by likesforests
United States
Member Since: May 2007
Member Points: 2324

This is an example of a good trap. What makes it good is, I won very quickly when my opponent missed it, but if he had seen through it my game would have been fine:

 


 

 

 


2nd February 2008, 04:24pm
#7
by caliche616
bogota Colombia
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 207
there are not weak-players.
2nd February 2008, 04:30pm
#8
by shadowslayer
michigan United States
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 807
not a trap, a trap uses sacrafices
2nd February 2008, 04:45pm
#9
by benws
United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 1041
shadowslayer-a trap does not have to have sacrifices. And Am3692- that is not a trap, it's called "hope chess", where you hope your opponent will play a specific line. against stronger opponents this is a surefire recipe for losing. so no, your trap was bad and should have lost.
2nd February 2008, 05:05pm
#10
by KillaBeez
Denver, CO United States
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 795
My friend was White and played a 2000 rated player who lost a piece by a trap and then won it back with likesforests trap.

 

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