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Nietzsche_Keen

Hey all,

I've always been pretty terrible at chess, but have improved a great deal since becoming a member. However, I still seem to lose every time, lol. I try to learn from my mistakes, but will I ever get better if I always lose? This latest game was going well, at least in my opinion until I made a huge mistake that allowed for a checkmate within the next couple of moves. I see my mistakes, but don't alway understand the more subtle mistakes; the "why" it wasn't the best move. Anyone care to comment or criticize on a beginners game?

http://www.chess.com/livechess/game?id=404062496 

JRTK73

You do learn from losing as long as you go back and analyse your games to find out why you lost. It does appear that you did make quite a few simple errors in that game. Your final mistake which cost you could have easily been averted. I don't know how much time you had left at that point but sometimes you just need to spend a bit longer on each move and go through all the possibilities. I think if you really want to improve your chess you should probably play with longer time controls than 10 minutes as well. That gives you a chance to really think about each move and determine which is the best.  I think using the Tactics Trainer will definitely help you.

Nietzsche_Keen

Thank you Tubester, this was my first post. I wasn't aware of how small the print actually was. I hope the edited version is better.

Nietzsche_Keen

Notsure,

     I think you are on to something. I started getting down to less than three minutes and do remember feeling a slight panic, lol. From what I can tell, I usually start making obvious mistakes (ones which I know better than to make) towards the end when time is getting short. I will try playing longer games.

     On that note, I do pretty well playing against the computer. Is it suggested that I play humans instead of the computer while I'm in this beginner stage? Is there much of a difference?

schoolboy5366

Every thing revolves around your king take your time and play defense while you  want to protect your pieces they should be protecting your king wait for your oppoent to make a mistake then capitalize on it position is critical play some really high rated opponants yes youll lose for a while but your rating wont drop and when you do get a win it will go way up

unfortunately i dont always use my advice if i did my rating would be alot higher then 1483

Nietzsche_Keen

Wow, BorgQueen. Thank you for the reply, explanation, and encouragement. It was very helpful; Just what I needed.

JRTK73
gmecomber wrote:

Notsure,

     I think you are on to something. I started getting down to less than three minutes and do remember feeling a slight panic, lol. From what I can tell, I usually start making obvious mistakes (ones which I know better than to make) towards the end when time is getting short. I will try playing longer games.

     On that note, I do pretty well playing against the computer. Is it suggested that I play humans instead of the computer while I'm in this beginner stage? Is there much of a difference?

I prefer to play real people and I think you do learn more that way.

As another suggestion try and play people who are 50-100 rating points above your ranking. Your current blitz raitng is 743 so try and play people between your ranking and say 850. Ideally, you want to increase your ranking into that bracket. The only way to that is to actually play those people. If you just play people worse than you then you probably won't get much better.

ponz111

I lost the first 100 games I ever played. It was against my dad. Then finally I won a game.  4 games later a draw and then a win. Later I was beating my dad badly and he stopped playing me.

The best way to learn is to play someone stronger than you.

SmyslovFan

I once saw the following rule of thumb: Play someone you can beat about 25% of the time.

The idea is that players who constantly get beat get discouraged, but if they win occasionally, they get motivated.

This is logical, but the best rule is to play the best players you can find without losing motivation to improve. For some players, such as ponz, that could be someone they lose to every time.

AndyClifton

I don't know, do you?

AndyClifton

Great!  Another perfectly good father-son relationship ruined because somebody got a little too skillful!

AndyClifton

Yeah, the same thing happened with my dad.  I got him in the Scholar's Mate (which I'd just learned about) and he refused to play me again.

AndyClifton

Although be careful not to learn anything (that could conceivably foul things up somewhere down the line).

CalamityChristie

could use an exponent of 7, but no doubt that would trigger incredible questions (by people who call Fischer a fruitcake but look no further)

as for the game .... it looks like a game played by 2 random move generators. the fix is to first develop a desire to win.

CalamityChristie

no, what i mean is ....

it's just a cliche ... Fischer was nuts, Fischer was nuts ...... ad infinitum

they're all gobbing it off.

look around this site .... Fischer wouldn't even have a place on that iceberg!

CalamityChristie

i started my playing career with .... must be 50 losses in a row.

my mentor taught me the moves (but not how to play well) to have a punch bag that could regularly be beat at will.

so, my motto is .... you either get busy losing or you get busy winning.

Nietzsche_Keen

Lol, thanks Bobyyy. I will try not to be so stupid next time. At least, I knew I'd screwed up as soon as I made that move. I agree it did seem like random move generators. I had a plan but was getting frustrated with the other player, in as much as I couldn't move very well and he wasn't moving. I guess that was part of his plan if he had one. I purposely made a couple of "bad" moves just to get the game going again and get the board opened up for me. Maybe that was a bad idea, but I didn't want to keep moving piddly pieces around waiting for something to open up, I figured I'd open it up myself. Or maybe I'm just rationalizing after the fact, lol.

JoshG354

IM Rensch has some good videos on this site for beginners he even talks about this particular checkmate and how to avoid it.  Think that video is called tactics and strategy

http://www.chess.com/video/library?keyword=&author=ACEChess&players=&opening=&skill_level=beginner&category=&page=3

Nietzsche_Keen

Thanks Josh, I haven't worked much on middle or end game; or anything else for that matter. I'm still trying to figure out openings, lol. I will check that video out though, thanks for sharing.