16345 Players currently online!
Man vs. Machine - good luck!
Turn-based games at any time!
Vote for the best move to win!
Do you have what it takes?
Sharpen your tactical vision!
Get advice and game insights!
Learn from top players & pros!
View millions of master games!
Your virtual chess coach!
Perfect your opening moves!
Test your skills vs. computer!
Find the right private coach!
Can you solve it each day?
Bring it all together!
Beginners, start here!
Make friends & play team games!
News from the world of chess!
Search all Chess.com members!
Find local clubs & events!
Who's the best of your friends?
Read what members are saying!
Ok, I have some issues. This is an engine game, I'm White, using Stockfish. I dont claim to be some super centaur, I pretty much played what the engine said, after following the 2012 Nakamura-Onischuk game up to move 10.
But even then, it seems pretty clear that White's position is pretty grim, why would a super GM play such a dubious line against a strong opponent? Where did Stockfish go wrong (if it did).
Just took a quick look and on move 22 white has a move that wins instantly.
22 ... Rf1+
The 22 ... Rf1+Doesn't matter because there's a flight square and if black recaptures with the queen, it loses to white's recapture with the queen due to the pin and the very next move is Qxb7#.
I think Nakamura was just trying to surprise his opponent and thought that he could get away with his opening choice, even if Onishuk played a strong continuation. Maybe he assessed the position out of the opening as 'playable'.
You're saying 22 ... Rf1+ 23 Ke2?
Ah, well, I've been playing the Vienna for a long time, and when I 1st saw this game I thought 4 exd5 was a cool new option. I guess I'll just stay away from that, lol
If 22 ...Rxf1+, then 23. Qxf1 so no need for ke2.
If 22 ...Rxf1, then 23. Qxf1 so no need for ke2.
if 23 Qxf1, the 23 ....QxB becomes possible.
Trust me, all the engines agree, 22 Bxc6 is a lemon, Stockfish Eval is -6.0
@learningthemoves, just engine check your lines. You'll see that Bxc6 doesn't work in any variation. The whole game was engine assisted so there is no chance of simple tactics like that.
Anyway, I was playing the black side of this game and must say that Nakamura could only have been trying to surprise his opponent. With engine assistance this opening is clearly refuted imo. The only saving grace for Naka is that his opponent wouldn't have prepared for this variation and finding the right moves over the board is not so easy. I doubt he would risk it again.
maybe #25.kd2,bf6.rxp,kxr,rb1+,ka8,bxn+ ?
25 Kd2 Bh4 26 Re2 Rxe3 27 Rxe3 Qh6 28 Rf1 Re8 -1.93
by the way I think 1.e4 e5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.f4 d5 4.exd5 should be met with 4...e4
It appears the top 5/6 G.Ms play at one level and others are falling by the wayside.
The more I look at the position after move ten, the more I can't understand Nakamura's thinking. You'd be crazy to think that black was anything but winning in that position.
BTW, it's not the first time, he's played that 3 or 4 times before.
Interesting, well Naka must see something there that I don't. Which wouldn't be surprising I guess. :)
Chess Troll for the Year!
by Dude_3 a few minutes ago
1st Unofficial Chess.com Swiss Championships
by cmtavernier a few minutes ago
Stuff Non-Chess Players Say
by FakeName6 a few minutes ago
Positions engines get wrong ( please contribute )
by TheGreatOogieBoogie 3 minutes ago
I really like this "system"; I wonder if it is played at master level?
by waffllemaster 3 minutes ago
What is you favorite thing about Carlsen?
by CP6033 3 minutes ago
Predictions: How Long Will He be Champ?
by clms_chess 4 minutes ago
by CP6033 5 minutes ago
A woman, a dog, a shotgun, a bicycle and a chessboard
by Ruby-Fischer 5 minutes ago
12/9/2013 - Mate in 3
by swarm22 5 minutes ago
Why Join | Chess Topics |
Help & Support |
© 2013 Chess.com
• Chess - English
We are working hard to make Chess.com available in over 70 languages. Check back over the year as we develop the technology to add more, and we will try our best to notify you when your language is ready for translating!