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Somebodysson

I checked back and saw aronchuck's post. Let's do it. A spearate thread. thanks aronchuck and qtko. Now I really have to get out of this house .

QueenTakesKnightOOPS

@ Somebodysson

When you get back why don't you start up a new thread, that way its yours to control & boot the 1st wave of Trolls Laughing

@ aronchuck

I've seen the same things as you with players & how they perform under pressure. The weird thing is it never bothered me, I enjoyed it so I guess I will have a perspective from that angle. Pressure is weird, with none at all, I mean total absolute zero you wouldn't bother to play your 1st move but then there comes a point to some ppl where it is paralysing. I think Somebodysson may benefit from a few (yet to be determined) techniques just to take the edge off & let him perform at least close to maximum potential. I won't go any further til the new thread starts but hopefully it can be integrated into his training & not be a distraction.

Somebodysson

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/the-psychology-of-playing-chess?lc=1#last_comment

Wink

Somebodysson

I just played a game and lost After being up a piece!! There's definitely something going on when I get excited and flustered, the server went down, we were both disconnected for three minutes during my move...when I came back to my move I had a critical decision to make....I was up a piece and excited about being a piece up, and flustered that the server had been down...I made the wrong decision. I went from being up a piece to being down a piece. I can't copy the game to the site, because I'm on a chromebook and it can't handle pgns files. It was against jiyyu. Its marked game abandoned, but it wasn't abandoned. I resigned for obvious reasons. The server is wonky. Anyways, if someone else doesn't post it before I get home, I'll post it later tonight. I have two more games, tomorrow, and one on Sunday. That's a lot of games QTKO Wink

http://www.chess.com/livechess/game?id=708433737

Somebodysson
the800

wow dude ur just mad

QueenTakesKnightOOPS

A quick analysis on some key points, I think you know how you lost so the next question is Why? Thanks for the new thread I'm going to post something there soon as will Mrs QueenTakesKnightOOPS, she is doing some research & has some ideas so expect something soon.

Somebodysson

@qtko: I did a quick once over your notes. "too soon" in two places...yes, and I knew I had a winning game, and yes, ouch...I need to look this over again and learn more about too soon and releasing tension. Very very important. My thoughts were "I better take this piece now because I need to trade down cusz I'm up a piece, so I should trade down whenever I can and I'll win the game"...then the check I gave which was unenecessesary, too soon. I'll look this over after the game I'm about to play. Thanks

Somebodysson
aronchuck wrote:

Pins - when you have a piece pinned you need to think how about how you can increase the pressure in order to try and win material.  I have also said in previous posts about the weaker player tendency to liquidate tension too early.

So with this in mind.  Look for a better move on move 13.  Can you see how you could increase pressure on the a4-e8 diagonal rather than liquidate the tension?  What would the result of that be?

Also can you see a better move on move 15?  How can you defend your e4 KNight and increase the pressure on his pinned Nc4?

Either of these improvements would have put the game away.  Can you solve these 2 tactic puzzles in your own game?  What are you going to do in your next game when you have a pin?

When Black took back on c6 with the Queen.  What was he threatening that you both seem to have missed?

ah aronchuck, the answers to your questions are so obvious now. Yes. They are solved. I missed the queen retaking on c6, I see the better move 15 and the better move 13. Its very clear. He wasn't a very strong player at all. I need to be able to win these ones. I'll go play a game now. Thanks. 

Somebodysson
aronchuck wrote:

@qtko - in your notes to @Somebodysson game you do not mention the much stronger possibilities on move 13, 14 and 15.  Maybe you didn't see - maybe you wanted to leave them alone due to my questions in my previous post but I doubt this as you mention Ne5 and Rc1 without giving the concrete Ne5, Q-moves Nxc6 winning line.

Your comment about the IQP is also very interesting.  "Not the end of the world".  This indicates you need to study some IQP positions because far from being the end of the world it can offer excellent dynamic attacking chances because it affords better central control, open lines and more active pieces.  The IQP only becomes a weakness in the endgame when the attacking potential is weak.  Particularly the player with the IQP wants to avoid exchanging minor pieces as the major piece ending is practically lost.  

But when your a piece up with better development it is hardly worth a comment.  I think you would do well to do this study as it will remove your prejudices about the position.  You need to be happy to play BOTH sides of an IQP.

nice. I'm playing a game, and I'm just checking in here. Its good to see aronchuck and qtko talking to each other.

QueenTakesKnightOOPS

@ aronchuck

As far as the IQP goes I was looking at it from a beginners perspective, a beginner may see an isolated Pawn as a liability. I have no predjudice about a IQP as you say it is part of the Queens Gambit & more likely a liability in the engame. Beginners often take on those liabilities in the middle game to their detriment, so my comment to Somebodysson was not to worry about it.

I was a bit obscure about the move sequences at 13, 14 & 15 but as you had set the question to Somebodysson I didn't think it appropriate to post the exact sequence, so I mentioned pilingup the pressure & left it at that.

Sorry if the analysis was confusing or incomplete

Somebodysson

Frownno emotional weakness. Tactical. Please comment. Thanks. 

Somebodysson
Smile He 'abandoned'. I wonder why WinkI finally got to use a tactic I've practiced. He would lose at least a rook plus either a bishop or a knight. Nice!!
 
Somebodysson

aronchuck or qtko, please review my notes. I'm trying to deepen my understanding of aronchuck's notes, and I have some questions and my own thought processes embedded in the notes here. Please read them and comment. thanks
 

aronchuck wrote:

Strategically - what were you thinking of when you played 21 g5?  What plan of yours was this part of?  Surely you didn't think you could attack with no pieces developed.  To attack as we have mentioned in previous posts needs a piece superiority.  A 1 pawn attack is NEVER going to work.  

You got cramped a bit and your Bishop was not a happy camper stuck behind all the pawns on darks squares.  11. dxc5 Bxc5 12. Qc2 would be a much better idea and give you free play.  You put pressure down the c-file on his backward c-pawn  Follow up with a3 and b4 quickly to FIX the weakness.  Then play Bb2 on a nice long diagonal, Na4-c5 and Rc1.  His weakness was the c6 pawn and you should have been thinking how you can FIX it, build up on it and then subsequently win it. 

Allowing Bf5->Bd3 was not a good idea.  You could have played g4 a move earlier and restricted his Bishop.  Note g4 is played to restrict his LSB and gain space not to start a direct attack.  Remember to always try and restrict your opponent's pieces and free your own.  Once you have established better pieces then you can attack.  

Did you think about contesting the open b-file?  remember one of the evauation criteria.  

Somebodysson
aronchuck wrote:

Good stuff!  Why not 13 Bf3?  winning along the diagonal 3 moves earlier and not giving him time to stop it.

After 13 Qb5 Qxb5 14. cxb5 dxc3 (hitting KNight) 15. Bf3 he can play 15...d5 blocking the diagonal and be up 2 pawns.  It's tough this game :)

I'm glad you won though.  I can sense the improvement coming now...

thanks! I'm glad I won too! I didn't see the Bf3 until after that crazy queen exchange, which in retrospect was an unnecessary risk. Still, I'm glad I won. There's another tomorrow at 11AM ET. 

I have to get more experience at winning, and playing won games. I'm going to try to do some of that soon. Practics playing the winning side of won games. 

Somebodysson
aronchuck wrote:

Notes on your notes:

I didn't actually give the variation like that I gave the white moves only so that you could focus on the general plan.

In your specific line 11. dxc5 Bxc5 12. Qc2 Qb6?? is a big blunder. Can you see how to win another piece? Clue: there is a deadly move with the Knight to the rim...

Pawns on c6 and d5 are on open files in this position. This means you can aim to blockade them and build up tremendous pressure against them. The c6 pawn is backward on an open file which is particularly vulnerable. So as you build up against it you will tie up all his forces in its defence. This gives you freedom to start probing all over the board and looking for tactical shots as his pieces won't be able to move without losing something.

Don't believe the Knights on the rim are dim saying. It is not true if they are planning to jump to a fairly central square next move. Look how often Black plays Nh5->f4 in Kings Indians etc. Na4->c5 is a typical idea as the Knight is taking the shortest path to a beautiful outpost on the c5 square where it can't be attacked by any enemy pawns.

ON move 19 allowing the B to go to d3 is annoying. It covers b1 which prevents you fighting for the b-file effectively. It also takes away other squares you might want to use if you want to reorganise your pieces. It almost paralyses you so you need to stop it with g4. The Bishop is far less threatening to you on e6 or a6 where it is blocked by his own pawns.

 

Because you have made it difficult for yourself by allowing the B to d3 to fight for the b-file. Your plan would have to be Ra2, Bc1 and then Rb2. The a-pawn is not worth protecting as it is making your rook bad. Does your rook (worth 5 points when on open files) really want to spend the game sitting behind a pawn on a3. On a1 the rook is probably worth about 2 points so it is better to sacrifice the a-pawn and get your rook in control of the b-file and down to b7 to create some threats. What would your rook say if he could talk? I'm sure it would be “Thanks somebodysson I really needed to get out of that hole. I will make it worth your while” - lol

fantastic instruction aronchuck, just fantastic. Yes, I knew yhou didn't give that variation, I was just trying to put in whole lines so that they could be played through on the viewer, but I think I have to put brackets in the variation in order to be able to play it out on the viewer. 

Thanks for clarifying about the crappy jpb for the rook protecting an a pawn when it can be doing something much stronger. 

and that instruction about pawns on the open files and blockading them, thanks, one more thing I didn't know anything about. Wink

I have a question. So when you think of a line like the one you posted, this one:

11. dxc5 Bxc5 12. Qc2 would be a much better idea and give you free play.  You put pressure down the c-file on his backward c-pawn  Follow up with a3 and b4 quickly to FIX the weakness.  Then play Bb2 on a nice long diagonal, Na4-c5 and Rc1.

is that how you think? You think of your moves, your long sequences ,your fantasy manouver, and then you falsify to see if its possible, by putting in the possible responses?

Somebodysson
aronchuck wrote:...

So you see the 3 Q's and their answers and the ideas you have that come from them are the vital part for 80%+ of your moves.  Raw calculation is only used for about 20%.  But even here the answers to the 3 q's will point you in the right direction of where to search and what is important.  Make sense?  Makes perfect sense. Huge. 

What you will find at lower levels though is that there will more often be a tactic that wins a piece or a pawn because the opponent won't be paying attention to your moves and threats and will be too wrapped up in their own plans.  This is fine though -  you just get to win quicker. Yes. And I will see lots of that at my level, because my opponents make blunders, as I do. That's why I have to get my head crammed with patterns. 

everybody who is following this thread should read the above post by aronchuck and review the three questions that we are using. They are

1. what is my opponent's plan/idea/threat

2. Where are the weaknesses

3. How can I improve the placement of one of my pieces.

4. Falsify (i.e. check for proof that your opponent can refute your move). If you find a refuation, rinse and repeat.

jojojopo

Hello everyone, here is my analysis of one of SBS's recent games. It has already been commented, I hope to be the first to analyze a game someday :P.



Somebodysson

thank you jojojopo. I enjoyed reading your annotation! And welcome back. We miss you when you're not here!

Somebodysson

today's game. My opponent found some good tactics, that I totally missed. I moved pieces to wrong places a few times. Here is the game. It actually felt like an improvement.