cheat engines...c.c says it ok?

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frankyyy27

ive recently played 4 different people who say chess'com says its ok to use cheating for ur openings...is this ok

TheGreatOogieBoogie

No, you can use data bases since it's impossible to tell someone using their memory from those looking at Big Database or whatever. 

frankyyy27

What does database mean

frankyyy27

surely using anything other than ur brain during game is cheating

TheGreatOogieBoogie

It's a huge collection of games.  You type in a player's name then it brings up that player's games.  You could also do it by ECO code, position, etc. 

baddogno
frankyyy27 wrote:

What does database mean

It's a collection of games.  The chess.com database is called the Explorer and you have to be premium to access it.  You can see which moves have been the most popular for both sides.  Premium members actually have a button when playing a correspondence game (what Erik perversely insists on calling "online") that takes them right to it.  Not as much of an advantage as you might think, but it is useful.  There might be a free online database as well if you googled around.

frankyyy27

still cheating....is everyone on thi site deluded

frankyyy27

chess.com is encouraging cheating by saying its ok...just ur brain is pnly ok

Scottrf

Why are there so many on this site who don't understand what cheating means?

TheBigDecline
Billion_Tactics_Boy wrote:

What I am trying to say is that if you use a database it will probably increase your winning chance by 5%, use a computer it will increase it by 100% (if its strong enough, like say stockfish or houdini)

Not exactly, playing with the help of a computer makes you outright unbeatable.

dzikus

It is not cheating, it is the spirit of correspondence chess. Even in times of the postal cards, CC was always about opening preparation. Players used the Chess Informant, books etc. as well as their own (or other people's) analysis.

They looked at games played with their favourite openings and tried to find better moves. Then they used their findings to surprise the opponents. The aim of correspondence chess was to produce high quality games and so the players were not expected to memorize everything. Those who worked hard and took notes could use them to gain advantage.

Note however that blindly following the databases is not a good idea. Sometimes the results (like white wins 60%) are biased by games which were lost after blunders and the eventual result was nowhere affected by the opening.

If you understand your openings well, you can beat your opponents who trust the databases too much and did not really work on the lines they choose.

frankyyy27

total delusion..5 percent increase is cheating....maybe get a new section stating database isok....any outside help is cheating...wow this is unbeleivable

frankyyy27

Scott...ive never studied openings and I dont have a database I just want a straight honest game of chess....why is that not possible

Scottrf

Why don't you simply look up the definition of cheating?

Ziryab
ScorpionPackAttack wrote:

No, you can use data bases since it's impossible to tell someone using their memory from those looking at Big Database or whatever. 

The rationale differs. Databases are permitted not because they are not preventable, but because that's one of the principal appeals of correspondence chess.

See http://chessskill.blogspot.com/2011/03/databases-and-their-discontents_28.html for some historical background.

In this recently completed game, for example, I used databases to guide me through an anti-French system that I had never used before. The game quickly transposed into a Sicilian, but remained a relatively new system for me. By move ten, we were following a single game. My opponent deviated on move 12. The reference game is in the annotations.


 

Scottrf

You can have a game without aids, play live chess or OTB, that's not the point of correspondence chess.

bresando

Using a database is not cheating, by definiton: since it's allowed,  it can't be cheating. if you think it should not be allowed, start your own chess site where databases are not allowed, no problem with that. If you want to play here, just accept the site rules.

You should also notice that using your brain is still necessary.The database just contain games. Not all the games are well played, and blindly following the move with the best score is a recipe for disaster rather than a great idea.

frankyyy27

billion.....im just stating chess.com is increasing its use by sanctioing it..ur calling me an idiot cause I play only using my brain...bravo..lmfao

ilgambittoo

There should be a suspense if you can

i.. use database or opening books

pl

Scottrf

Tell me how this would even work.

If I'm playing games in the Sicilian, Ruy Lopez, and Queens Gambit, I'm not supposed to study any of those openings for the duration of those games (i.e. ever)? Doesn't work.

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