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red-lady

Apr 19, 2013

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#41

It's very weird people only see the good sides of things, never the labour and pain and tears that go with it. You work for something like 20 years and then someone says: yeah, I want to do your work It's nice, pretty! I'm talented, I can do it. Sorry, but no, that is not the way it goes. If you are special, then you would have made the decision to become a professional a long time ago. It is about being possessed by something, like I said before.

billyblatt

Apr 19, 2013

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#42

pdve wrote:

red-lady wrote:

I don't want to discourage you, but becoming a professional chess player at the age of 30 is as good as impossible. It's like saying I want to be a ballet dancer or a professional musician when you are almost in your mid life If you want to become a pro, you have to start at an early age. Certainly before you are 10! And you've missed that boat I guess... If I were you, I'd make something else out of my life.

admit it, there is a difference. chess can be LEARNED. it is an intellectual activity. it can be learned through very hard work and through lots of motivation. all you have to do is solve problems, learn opening theory solve lots and lots of endgame problems and you are already a competitive player. ballet dancing or being a musician require tons of equipment and access to training which is maybe available once a week. however, with chess you can practice any amount, up to 7 hours a day. it is much more possible given the motivation and ability.

Why are you looking for permission?

The people who think you can't will always say no you can't, AND you shouldn't even try, even though every cell in your body says you can.

They will give you every reason why you are deluded. Maybe you are! Who knows? Who cares? Just do it. Go memorise 10000 gm games. Read everything you can. Play with players better than you. If you are ready to spend the next 10 years at it, and then finding out you are not that good. If you can live with that, after years of struggle and then to discover you haven't got what it takes, then you don't need to know anything else.

You are trying to convert disbelievers. They don't believe it is possible, what do you think they will say, all of a sudden out of great love and compassion for you they will burst out in a triumphant joy and exclaim, "Yes! You want to be GM! Great! I will help you all I can! I will applaud your success, and I will suffer in your sorrows."

That is the only delusion you might have. That people have any personal concern about your success.

If chess matters to you and you want it to be a big part of you life, just do it.

If you want guarantees, then you won't find it. If you want your fears to be allayed, and be told, that yeah you'll be fine, nothing can go wrong. Then you are mistaken. But it is worth trying if it gives you the oppurtunity to overcome your doubts and uncertainties. You may not become a gm, but at least you'll overcome your self doubts, fears, etc etc and that has to be worth something....

PhoenixTTD

Apr 19, 2013

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#43

Chess is great as a diversion, entertainment, and mental exersize. However chess as a career? I am trying to imagine looking back on my life and having my greatest accomplishments and main focus being limited to 64 squares that don't matter. It's hard to imagine being satisfied with that. I don't want to spend my last days thinking back on tactics that worked and games I let slip away. You only get one life. Don't waste it.

red-lady

Apr 19, 2013

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#44

billyblatt wrote:

pdve wrote:

red-lady wrote:

I don't want to discourage you, but becoming a professional chess player at the age of 30 is as good as impossible. It's like saying I want to be a ballet dancer or a professional musician when you are almost in your mid life If you want to become a pro, you have to start at an early age. Certainly before you are 10! And you've missed that boat I guess... If I were you, I'd make something else out of my life.

admit it, there is a difference. chess can be LEARNED. it is an intellectual activity. it can be learned through very hard work and through lots of motivation. all you have to do is solve problems, learn opening theory solve lots and lots of endgame problems and you are already a competitive player. ballet dancing or being a musician require tons of equipment and access to training which is maybe available once a week. however, with chess you can practice any amount, up to 7 hours a day. it is much more possible given the motivation and ability.

Why are you looking for permission?

The people who think you can't will always say no you can't, AND you shouldn't even try, even though every cell in your body says you can.

They will give you every reason why you are deluded. Maybe you are! Who knows? Who cares? Just do it. Go memorise 10000 gm games. Read everything you can. Play with players better than you. If you are ready to spend the next 10 years at it, and then finding out you are not that good. If you can live with that, after years of struggle and then to discover you haven't got what it takes, then you don't need to know anything else.

You are trying to convert disbelievers. They don't believe it is possible, what do you think they will say, all of a sudden out of great love and compassion for you they will burst out in a triumphant joy and exclaim, "Yes! You want to be GM! Great! I will help you all I can! I will applaud your success, and I will suffer in your sorrows."

That is the only delusion you might have. That people have any personal concern about your success.

If chess matters to you and you want it to be a big part of you life, just do it.

If you want guarantees, then you won't find it. If you want your fears to be allayed, and be told, that yeah you'll be fine, nothing can go wrong. Then you are mistaken. But it is worth trying if it gives you the oppurtunity to overcome your doubts and uncertainties. You may not become a gm, but at least you'll overcome your self doubts, fears, etc etc and that has to be worth something....

No, and your answer is the answer of someone aged 14, 15. You think you can do with your life what you want and you can always recall things. But that is not how it works. I can't be an F16 pilot in Afghanistan anymore. And you know why? Because they would shoot me out of my airplane! You make choices and you have to stick to them. We have a politician over here who says: if I had to start over again, I would do exactly the same

He's nuts, but you can look at life that way too!

toadrw

Apr 19, 2013

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#45

The only advice I can give you is to not take advice from anyone on this site. If you're passionate about it and work hard then you will succeed. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. The untalented naysayers have never accomplished anything in life so they don't think you can. Don't believe them! Good luck. P.S. I think this is a troll thread, but that's still my opinion even if it weren't.

pdve

Apr 19, 2013

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#46

HotFlow wrote:

Perhaps you can teach it to the local kids if you don't make it.

that is my thought. give it your best. try hard. at least you can teach.

TetsuoShima

Apr 19, 2013

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#47

Estragon wrote:

pdve wrote:

red-lady wrote:

I don't want to discourage you, but becoming a professional chess player at the age of 30 is as good as impossible. It's like saying I want to be a ballet dancer or a professional musician when you are almost in your mid life If you want to become a pro, you have to start at an early age. Certainly before you are 10! And you've missed that boat I guess... If I were you, I'd make something else out of my life.

admit it, there is a difference. chess can be LEARNED. it is an intellectual activity. it can be learned through very hard work and through lots of motivation. all you have to do is solve problems, learn opening theory solve lots and lots of endgame problems and you are already a competitive player. ballet dancing or being a musician require tons of equipment and access to training which is maybe available once a week. however, with chess you can practice any amount, up to 7 hours a day. it is much more possible given the motivation and ability.

"Intellectual activity" or not, the only players who become GMs past age 30 are those who were IMs in their early 20s. No one, to my knowledge, has achieved the GM over 30 who was not an established master before that age.

You can argue all day about what is or should be possible but when you cannot point to a single example of anyone EVER doing what the OP proposes, you must admit it is closer to fantasy than reality.

i heard about a russian guy, but i cant remember if he was GM or master, he lost all his memory because of war and had to relearn everything and became master or gm again.

kco

Apr 19, 2013

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#48

What ?? this whole thread is load of bs, sheez.

gambitattax

Apr 19, 2013

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#49

I am 15 and I am pretty good at chess. My FIDE rating is 1404 but I am 1800s to 2000s in chess.com. I want to continue playing chess as a hobby only and I don't want it to interrupt my studies.

Chess is of no use in India. It only comes to use when u are above >2400 rating. Earning money through chess in India is very very hard. You can get better money by becoming a scientist, or software engineer, doctor, etc.

pdve

Apr 19, 2013

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#50

billyblatt wrote:

pdve wrote:

red-lady wrote:

I don't want to discourage you, but becoming a professional chess player at the age of 30 is as good as impossible. It's like saying I want to be a ballet dancer or a professional musician when you are almost in your mid life If you want to become a pro, you have to start at an early age. Certainly before you are 10! And you've missed that boat I guess... If I were you, I'd make something else out of my life.

admit it, there is a difference. chess can be LEARNED. it is an intellectual activity. it can be learned through very hard work and through lots of motivation. all you have to do is solve problems, learn opening theory solve lots and lots of endgame problems and you are already a competitive player. ballet dancing or being a musician require tons of equipment and access to training which is maybe available once a week. however, with chess you can practice any amount, up to 7 hours a day. it is much more possible given the motivation and ability.

Why are you looking for permission?

The people who think you can't will always say no you can't, AND you shouldn't even try, even though every cell in your body says you can.

They will give you every reason why you are deluded. Maybe you are! Who knows? Who cares? Just do it. Go memorise 10000 gm games. Read everything you can. Play with players better than you. If you are ready to spend the next 10 years at it, and then finding out you are not that good. If you can live with that, after years of struggle and then to discover you haven't got what it takes, then you don't need to know anything else.

You are trying to convert disbelievers. They don't believe it is possible, what do you think they will say, all of a sudden out of great love and compassion for you they will burst out in a triumphant joy and exclaim, "Yes! You want to be GM! Great! I will help you all I can! I will applaud your success, and I will suffer in your sorrows."

That is the only delusion you might have. That people have any personal concern about your success.

If chess matters to you and you want it to be a big part of you life, just do it.

If you want guarantees, then you won't find it. If you want your fears to be allayed, and be told, that yeah you'll be fine, nothing can go wrong. Then you are mistaken. But it is worth trying if it gives you the oppurtunity to overcome your doubts and uncertainties. You may not become a gm, but at least you'll overcome your self doubts, fears, etc etc and that has to be worth something....

i agree with this. but i know that it is a lot of hard work. i am willing to do that. however, i can also keep it as a serious hobby and have a career and put my money into buying software and books which will improve my game.

billyblatt

Apr 19, 2013

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#51

No, and your answer is the answer of someone aged 14, 15. You think you can do with your life what you want and you can always recall things. But that is not how it works. I can't be an F16 pilot in Afghanistan anymore. And you know why? Because they would shoot me out of my airplane! You make choices and you have to stick to them. We have a politician over here who says: if I had to start over again, I would do exactly the same

He's nuts, but you can look at life that way too!

I think maybe you have missed something there. It is not possible to do with life what you WANT...but it is possible to do with life what you CAN.

In this situation he CAN play, he can learn, etc

If you could fly a plane, lets say a single-prop, then you could learn to fly something bigger. Of course you would find out yourself very quickly if you could, then the question whether you can fly F16 is answered. But if you could fly a jet, then you could fly an F16. But you can't just walk off the street into a plane and say I fly.

There is a difference between I think whims and concrete possibilites...

It is like if you say can you read one novel a day. It will be difficult, but not impossibe. Or writing a book. You could do it.

But you will have to have a LOT of time, and Discipline and passion...and it is something that would mean something to you...not just random stuff....

Does it mean you will succeed. I don't know. There is no guarantee...

GambitExtraordinaire

Apr 19, 2013

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#52

_36darshan-- wrote:

You can get better money by becoming a scientist, or software engineer, doctor, etc.

Wal mart greeter, mcdonalds server, mawn lower, etc..

pdve

Apr 19, 2013

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#53

i think maybe it might be encouraging to conduct a survey about what the top rated players on this site do for a living and how much time they give to chess. as long as i can become good at chess, that's all that matters. my goal is to become 2000 standard on chess.com and perhaps play the occasional OTB tournament.

kco

Apr 19, 2013

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#54

billyblatt wrote:

I think maybe you have missed something there. It is not possible to do with life what you WANT...but it is possible to do with life what you CAN.

In this situation he CAN play, he can learn, etc

If you could fly a plane, lets say a single-prop, then you could learn to fly something bigger. Of course you would find out yourself very quickly if you could, then the question whether you can fly F16 is answered. But if you could fly a jet, then you could fly an F16. But you can't just walk off the street into a plane and say I fly.

There is a difference between I think whims and concrete possibilites...

It is like if you say can you read one novel a day. It will be difficult, but not impossibe. Or writing a book. You could do it.

But you will have to have a LOT of time, and Discipline and passion...and it is something that would mean something to you...not just random stuff....

Does it mean you will succeed. I don't know. There is no guarantee...

nicely put.

TetsuoShima

Apr 19, 2013

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#55

red-lady wrote:

billyblatt wrote:

pdve wrote:

red-lady wrote:

I don't want to discourage you, but becoming a professional chess player at the age of 30 is as good as impossible. It's like saying I want to be a ballet dancer or a professional musician when you are almost in your mid life If you want to become a pro, you have to start at an early age. Certainly before you are 10! And you've missed that boat I guess... If I were you, I'd make something else out of my life.

admit it, there is a difference. chess can be LEARNED. it is an intellectual activity. it can be learned through very hard work and through lots of motivation. all you have to do is solve problems, learn opening theory solve lots and lots of endgame problems and you are already a competitive player. ballet dancing or being a musician require tons of equipment and access to training which is maybe available once a week. however, with chess you can practice any amount, up to 7 hours a day. it is much more possible given the motivation and ability.

Why are you looking for permission?

The people who think you can't will always say no you can't, AND you shouldn't even try, even though every cell in your body says you can.

They will give you every reason why you are deluded. Maybe you are! Who knows? Who cares? Just do it. Go memorise 10000 gm games. Read everything you can. Play with players better than you. If you are ready to spend the next 10 years at it, and then finding out you are not that good. If you can live with that, after years of struggle and then to discover you haven't got what it takes, then you don't need to know anything else.

You are trying to convert disbelievers. They don't believe it is possible, what do you think they will say, all of a sudden out of great love and compassion for you they will burst out in a triumphant joy and exclaim, "Yes! You want to be GM! Great! I will help you all I can! I will applaud your success, and I will suffer in your sorrows."

That is the only delusion you might have. That people have any personal concern about your success.

If chess matters to you and you want it to be a big part of you life, just do it.

If you want guarantees, then you won't find it. If you want your fears to be allayed, and be told, that yeah you'll be fine, nothing can go wrong. Then you are mistaken. But it is worth trying if it gives you the oppurtunity to overcome your doubts and uncertainties. You may not become a gm, but at least you'll overcome your self doubts, fears, etc etc and that has to be worth something....

No, and your answer is the answer of someone aged 14, 15. You think you can do with your life what you want and you can always recall things. But that is not how it works. I can't be an F16 pilot in Afghanistan anymore. And you know why? Because they would shoot me out of my airplane! You make choices and you have to stick to them. We have a politician over here who says: if I had to start over again, I would do exactly the same

He's nuts, but you can look at life that way too!

he can do whatever he wants with his life, this is no dicatorship. people doing crazier things, like going 9 to 5 to a job they hate and then all of a sudden jump from a scyscraper.Life is for living, you dont have to die his death, so you shouldnt tell people how they want to live.

TetsuoShima

Apr 19, 2013

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#56

Its like in the bob marley song where he sings the mighty god is a living man. No1 should get manipulated by anyone in doing what they dont want to do. I totally agree with Billyblatt and even if he is 15, that was the best comment in this thread.

learningthemoves

Apr 19, 2013

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#57

GambitExtraordinaire wrote:

_36darshan-- wrote:

You can get better money by becoming a scientist, or software engineer, doctor, etc.

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red-lady

Apr 19, 2013

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#58

billyblatt wrote:

No, and your answer is the answer of someone aged 14, 15. You think you can do with your life what you want and you can always recall things. But that is not how it works. I can't be an F16 pilot in Afghanistan anymore. And you know why? Because they would shoot me out of my airplane! You make choices and you have to stick to them. We have a politician over here who says: if I had to start over again, I would do exactly the same

He's nuts, but you can look at life that way too!

I think maybe you have missed something there. It is not possible to do with life what you WANT...but it is possible to do with life what you CAN.

In this situation he CAN play, he can learn, etc

If you could fly a plane, lets say a single-prop, then you could learn to fly something bigger. Of course you would find out yourself very quickly if you could, then the question whether you can fly F16 is answered. But if you could fly a jet, then you could fly an F16. But you can't just walk off the street into a plane and say I fly.

There is a difference between I think whims and concrete possibilites...

It is like if you say can you read one novel a day. It will be difficult, but not impossibe. Or writing a book. You could do it.

But you will have to have a LOT of time, and Discipline and passion...and it is something that would mean something to you...not just random stuff....

Does it mean you will succeed. I don't know. There is no guarantee...

At your age, yes, you could try. But you can't when you are 30 because it takes at least 10 to 15 years before you are mature in any kind of 'art'. I see chess as art...

You CAN of course do with your life what you want, but keep in mind that there are things you have no control over. Things happen, you know, for no reason. They cross your path. And when you are 30 and you have to start from the beginning, I don't know... But hell, it's your life. All the best and I very much hope you will succeed. There are always exceptions.

red-lady

Apr 19, 2013

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#59

HotFlow wrote:

Yep, some exceptions but probably plenty more unknowns that crashed and burned trying.

They will burn us alive if we say that too loud Sssttt.

kco

Apr 19, 2013

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#60

another let down..... , 90 years old skydivers, 70 years old mountain climbers etc..... nothing stopping their dreams