Draw adjudication

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25th September 2008, 06:11pm
#1
by Isuru
Canberra Australia
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 32

Is it possible to add a function for adjudicating a draw? I think a lot of us are encountering opponents who will insist on playing out a drawn position in the hope of encountering a mistake.

While I understand it is the player's responsibility to satisfy the drawn position, it doesn't seem to be in the spirit of what this Community and site is about.

26th September 2008, 04:04am
#2
by chess_kebabs
Australia
Member Since: Aug 2008
Member Points: 24958

Isn't there a limit on the number of drawn moves? I heard someone say there was? I will ask someone who is in the know for you Mr Isuru.

26th September 2008, 04:23am
#3
by LOB
My Cardboard Box Ireland
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 1801

People have the right to play out the games I guess. If it happens in correspondence chess and no mistakes are made then you will both have to draw eventually or waste your time.

I have never had trouble with drawing, you know a drawn position and so does your opponent, for me people usually accept the draw.

In live chess though people may refuse to draw to wind down your time. Annoying but its done.

26th September 2008, 04:42am
#4
by Baseballfan
Durham, North Carolina United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 1857

Both players are correct. There is is a move limit. Once 50 moves have been played in which there have been no captures and no pawn moves, then a draw can be claimed, there is no adjudication necessary.

LOB is also correct in that people have the right to play out their games. I know in a few of my games I wanted to experiment with something in the end game and use the game as a learning device, so I played it out to the bitter end.

One more thing to note... if you play someone, and their actions are not against the rules, but they are still not someone you ever want to play again, you can block them on this screen: http://www.chess.com/home/privacy.html

26th September 2008, 04:48am
#5
by artfizz
South (GMT) +rT United Kingdom
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 3324
Isuru wrote: Is it possible to add a function for adjudicating a draw? I think a lot of us are encountering opponents who will insist on playing out a drawn position in the hope of encountering a mistake.

Are you thinking of open positions or closed ones? Open positions are more straighforward - especially if the material is balanced. For instance, K+R vs K+R is a scenario that many people would accept as drawn.

I'm playing a game in a closed position where the material was K+R+R+N+7P vs K+Q+R+R+7P a few moves ago. All the pawns are interlocked. It's going to be difficult to break through. Despite the imbalance in material, the game is draw-ish in character. However, as I'm the player with the Queen, I'm inclined to resolve the game further.

I wouldn't welcome the system intruding on my options to inform me the outcome is likely to be a draw.

26th September 2008, 05:06am
#6
by agent_86
Memphis United States
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 65
artfizz wrote:
Isuru wrote: Is it possible to add a function for adjudicating a draw? I think a lot of us are encountering opponents who will insist on playing out a drawn position in the hope of encountering a mistake.

Are you thinking of open positions or closed ones? Open positions are more straighforward - especially if the material is balanced. For instance, K+R vs K+R is a scenario that many people would accept as drawn.

I'm playing a game in a closed position where the material was K+R+R+N+7P vs K+Q+R+R+7P a few moves ago. All the pawns are interlocked. It's going to be difficult to break through. Despite the imbalance in material, the game is draw-ish in character. However, as I'm the player with the Queen, I'm inclined to resolve the game further.

I wouldn't welcome the system intruding on my options to inform me the outcome is likely to be a draw.


I think the game he is playing is one where it is K+1P vs K, he is the one with K only.  But his king is in front of the opponents pawn, and all he has to do is move it back and forth for the next 50 moves no matter what his opponent does and the pawn can never advance.

 

It's the most textbook of all draws.  In an OTB tournament this would be insufficient losing chances.

26th September 2008, 05:36am
#7
by artfizz
South (GMT) +rT United Kingdom
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 3324
agent_86 wrote:
I think the game he is playing is one where it is K+1P vs K, he is the one with K only.  But his king is in front of the opponents pawn, and all he has to do is move it back and forth for the next 50 moves no matter what his opponent does and the pawn can never advance.
It's the most textbook of all draws.  In an OTB tournament this would be insufficient losing chances.

Ah ha.

Isuru could send his opponent a link to the textbook - though by no means all opponents welcome receiving chess-related information during a game - see http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/a-tally-of-database-users--non-users   

26th September 2008, 01:28pm
#8
by agent_86
Memphis United States
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 65

Well help from your opponent is different from outside help :).

 

Even if his opponent had Deep Blue he couldn't win.

26th September 2008, 02:30pm
#9
by artfizz
South (GMT) +rT United Kingdom
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 3324
agent_86 wrote: Well help from your opponent is different from outside help :). ...

My opponents often offer me help - just to make the game last a respectable number of moves.

 

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