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Here_Is_Plenty

I wasted 20 years of my life in a semi-permanent haze - I don't mean used for 20 years, I mean for 20 of the years I used it was heavy.  I really dont recommend it nor do I think it helps chess.  My memory has deteriorated over the years and I tend to play systems to compensate rather than learn openings which I will still forget, despite having given up drug use a while back.  Anyone who really wants to enjoy their chess will stay clear of heavy or long-term drug use.

TheGrobe
nameno1had wrote:
...don't waste your time with the pseudo-educated crap again.

Just highlighting this unprovoked swipe (and quoting it, since you're wont to retroactively edit when called out on something) so that the next time you're running around the site claiming that you're persecuted we can both (all) reflect on this moment.

nameno1had
TheGrobe wrote:
nameno1had wrote:
...don't waste your time with the pseudo-educated crap again.

Just highlighting this unprovoked swipe (and quoting it, since you're wont to retroactively edit when called out on something) so that the next time you're running around the site claiming that you're persecuted we can both (all) reflect on this moment.

I find it interesting with respect to that particular post you are still sniveling about it. I had a particular theme in mind that was't necessarily wrong. I realized something could be added to it, but doing so did violate one of the ideas in it. I didn't catch that the way I worded it would be contradictory until about 30 seconds later you pointed it out.

In technicality (which you were quick to make sure the world noticed) it was slightly contradictory, but in spirit it wasn't. Having a small amount of caffiene isn't generally considered using drugs or being a problem for passing a drug test. It was all I was advocating. So after seeing your reply was unquoted, I thought you deserved a little retro payback for your other @$$holi$hness...glad you enjoyed it....it was my pleasure

fburton

Caffeine regulated? No! Yell

sillofshade

LSD=chess steroids. And it doesnt end at chess. Sad that psychedelics are stigmatized in the way they are. The potential benefit is so great.

nameno1had
twighead wrote:

LSD = chess steroids

From personal experience I will agree with this to a point, but I will also disagree for a few other reasons. I think it would be more like shooting dice than a predictable result.

I noticed my attention to detail was enhanced, my ability to concentrate, though was subject to change without prior notice, was otherwise impervious. My will to accomplish anything I set my mind to was animalistic, if I was pushed to that point.However, my mood was much more easily swayed and my desire to control my urges due to my mood, weren't dependent on my perception of the consequences, but instead on how I felt.

Some of those things aren't exactly what I would refer to as performance enhancing effects. I would be much more likely to start staring at something more interesting than chess pieces and run out of time. Or I would probably become annoyed at having to wait, in my sped up state of mind and in my agitation make bad moves.

If my opponent did anything to rile me up, that would of most likely resulted in a DQ for me. I would be asked to leave, maybe even by the police if I was on enough of it. For some reason fighting seemed appealing to me on acid, but not always. Being alone or with someone else who was at peace was ok, but if I was in any situation with tension, it stirred up the desire to be violent. Chess can be a quite tense affair. I am sure the tension in the air at a tournament could maybe be cut with a knife. I can't say that from experience, but I can certainly imagine it. That isn't the ideal environment for someone on LSD. Food for thought, for anyone thinking they will experiment and then go to a tourney on it. You could have a bad trip and that wouldn't be cool.

nameno1had
Sol_Rosenberg wrote:

I think this issue needs to be taken up with FIDE. The idea of consensual crimes is a joke. What if chess players formed a political action committee, or constituted a voting bloc? We must fight for the right to have trace, or extremely high levels of THC in our pee without fear of the draconian overlords of FIDE coming down on our heads. Let's organize against this policy that makes criminals out of innocent people. If we could get a million chess players marching on Washington, how great would that be? The Parham contingency could be its Black Bloc. What do you all think? Let's show 'em we're not the wimps, dorks, geeks, and dorky geeks people have claimed we are...

Anywhere it is illegal, you aren't going to get much support. If you were some place like Amsterdam, you would suddenly have a leg to stand on. It is always going to be difficult for any institution to turn a blind eye to the use of illegal substances by its members,patrons, associates and etcetera.

You would have to somehow get FIDE to agree to holding tournaments in Amsterdam and somehow use legal leverage by citizens of there, or another possibility would be those who have prescribed marijuana to file some sort of discrimination suit against FIDE. Pretty much anything outside of that and you might as well spit in the wind.

atarw

metal dectectors would make sense to check 4 computers

but testing isnt the way to promote chess to make it recognized as an olympic sport

DevinHall

I will say this.  There is a drug that I believe would definitely make certain chess players play much better than usual.  Amphetamine Salts used for ADHD would severely improve certain players awareness and alertness on the board.  It would put them into a type of tunnel vision where nothing around them matters.  I have done them before, not for chess.  It has drastically improved any game I played that had any strategy involved so I believe it would help my chess.  I just don't believe in doing that with a competitive game against humans.  Try it against a computer and see if you don't perform better.

MickinMD

If you've played a 5-game/one day or 3-game long-time-limit OTB tournament, you should know how drained you feel at the end.  I've TD'd high school tournaments where, after 5 regular-rating games, a 5 minute unrated blitz playoff was required to break a tie for a trophy and one of the players would be too tired to see straight and get mated in 10 moves.

So alertness -above and beyond what caffeine can do- can be the benefit of drug use and obviously is unfair.

DevinHall

Drug use is definitely unfair.  In any sport.  They work differently on people and trust me, if I took certain things my chess rating would rise because there are benefits to taking certain things especially with a game like chess where situational awareness is key.  Drug tests should never be ended in the game of competitive professional chess.

LeeTaylor85

I actually play much better after I smoke some weed.it relaxes me, I concentrate better, and I see beautiful combinations easily that would normally take a little extra time to see sober

thegreat_patzer

isn't a bunch of this Thread Against the rules?

I mean,  "drug TESTING" is a recurrent subject at chess.com and no big deal.  but you guys are talking about taking Illegal, illicit drugs.... how is that allowed?

 

other discussions of doing ILLEGAL things are quickly locked?

Ib4TL

DevinHall

They can lock it then.  Big deal.

shrutis2878

Global Drug Screening Market is growing rapidly.

I just read in the Drug Testing Market Report that this industry will be USD 11.50 billion by 2025.

It was just shocking for me. nervous.pngbq.pngbr.png

djrakman

Plenty of designer drugs on the market that make you more aware temporarily. Fischer could have been on LSD for all we know he was that good. Question is can they handle the goldfish brain side effects and still maintain their game????? I think not.....

chessly0151

The LSD take is quite funny. I can't imagine playing only multidimensional drugs on that drug I can't see anything bad in playing chess on the substance and I confess I won few changes on drugs and it's quite a bad news about drug testing. Though there're ways to cheat on it. Check it here ouchclub.com

ManWithABigPlan
johnmusacha wrote:

In another thread, an acclaimed chess coach and author asserted:

ibeatyoucheckmater wrote:

i think we should abolish drug testing.  i say let 'em dope all they want this ain't the tour de france we aint no pansies.

I also think that we should end drug testing in tournaments and other competitive chess events.  What we do on our time is our own business.  Drug testing is an invasion of privacy, pure and simple.

Who here can't relate to the hearbreak felt after having to give up your tournament trophy and cash prize just because your urine later tests positive for mushrooms, cocaine, or horse steroids?

Like the Checkmater said, this is Chess, not the Tour de France!

Drug testing is purely because FIDE wants chess to be an Olympic sport and in order to do so, they have to adhere to the Olympic rules which includes drug testing.

Schachtus

Honestly, I absolutely agree. The only reasons there is drug testing in chess is one due to FIDE wanting to make chess Olympic and due to some financial support depending on drug testing. I strongly doubt that chess is ever going to become an Olympic sport though; last time IOC rejected chess in 2014. However, chess is "recognized" by IOC as a sport - not that it helps in any way.
Personally, I don't think drug testing is appropriate in chess, especially not the Registered Testing Pool including all male players over 2700 and all female players over 2500. These players have to provide whereabouts for 3 months in advance and can be tested wherever they are, all around the clock. It is honestly baffling to me how people are even considering to comply to such ridiculous terms.
Plus, in theory, each chess player registered at FIDE can be tested, regardless of their level of play (not that it would happen, but WADA and NADAs, the international respectively national anti doping agencies, claim the right to it).
I strongly oppose to drug testing in chess and would personally never play in a FIDE tournament in which drug testing is intended. In doubt, I would rather give up on OTB chess. But that's just my take.

ThrillerFan
johnmusacha wrote:

In another thread, an acclaimed chess coach and author asserted:

ibeatyoucheckmater wrote:

i think we should abolish drug testing.  i say let 'em dope all they want this ain't the tour de france we aint no pansies.

I also think that we should end drug testing in tournaments and other competitive chess events.  What we do on our time is our own business.  Drug testing is an invasion of privacy, pure and simple.

Who here can't relate to the hearbreak felt after having to give up your tournament trophy and cash prize just because your urine later tests positive for mushrooms, cocaine, or horse steroids?

Like the Checkmater said, this is Chess, not the Tour de France!

 

In this case, it is not about performance enhancement.  It is not like steroids pumping up your biceps (see Barry Bonds as a pirate in 1991 vs Barry Bonds as a giant in 2007) will impact chess results.  If anything did that, it would be caffine pills, coffee, and mountain dew.

 

The problem is that there are kids in these tournaments.  Drugs are a bad example to kids.  You should not allowed to be stoned in front of these grade schoolers.  Has nothing to do with invasion of privacy.  Think of it like going to work.  When you are being hired for a job, a drug test is often given.  You might still be able to concentrate yourself, but it is a bad reputation to the public.  You get stoned, people can see it.  It has negative impact on the general public.

 

Other things that some people may deem wrong that have no impact on the tournament are not policies.  Testing for drugs is NOT invasion of privacy because it has direct impact not on your personal results, but on the general experience of the public that is there.

 

Invasion of privacy for a chess tournament would be:

1) Banning anyone that ate pizza in the last 24 hours.  Provided no drugs were in the pizza, why is it your business what someone ate?

2) Banning anyone who "did it" with another of the same gender.  Why is it anyone else's business which players are members of the LGBTQ+ community as long as they do not make moves on you during your game against them?

3) Banning a certain race or religion - Not only is that or number 2 an invasion of privacy - that would also be discrimination.

4) Banning someone because you do not like them.  You got into a fight with someone in high school because he stole your girlfriend and is now married to her, and now 10 years later he enters your tournament.

 

 

Those are invasion of privacy.  A drug test is not!