kasparov is no stochfisch. stochfisch will win this.
Hikaru Nakamura+Rybka vs. Stockfish
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I'm really excited for this game ! your GM picture is also very distasteful
Thank you.
I changed it just for you. Is this one better?
what is the result?
1.5 0.5 to Stockfish before I tuned out
Let us do this the real way:
Game 1 (Rybkamura - Stockfish): ½-½
Game 2 (Stockfish - Rybkamura: ?-?
Game 3: (Pawnmura - Stockfish): ?-?
Game 4: (Stockfish - Pawnmura): ?-?
No last game Stockfish won also
Is there any official news about this match? Where is video interview with Hikaru?
This is a really disappointing outcome - Confusion. Nobody knows for sure. Couldn't find the live coverage. There needs to be an official update post in the News section of this website. Very poor service.
Nakamura must have been tired in the last two games. And playing without Rybka anymore, may have blundered in the last game ?!
In short, Hikaru avoided drawing in the second game, he went for the win but he lost. Had it been an official match, the second game would have been a draw, but Hikaru tried the impossible.
The second game went on for much longer than expected and Host IM Daniel Rensch was left hosting the show alone due to a technical glitch, so he had to work really hard yesterday.
As a teacher, I know talking endlessly for hours takes its toll on your voice ,but he is still young, so I'm sure he's fine but exhausted. You could say he worked his butt off yesterday :)
As for me, it was the best show I have ever seen on chess.com.
@ Aetheldred
Danny was not left on his own due to a technical glitch. GM Finegold left for he was going to play an OTB game in a tourney. I agree it was a great show and I hope I find some analysis of the second game. It looked drawish for a long time but it seemed to me that Stockfish was up to something when it (or he?
) moved its king to the queenside and played a4. It goes without saying that a bad player like myself cannot understand ideas of a GM and such a strong engine. Nevertheless, I was really surprised the engine did not see it was necessary to play b4 or f4 early in the game and kept moving its pieces "randomly". Since I know much more about programming than playing chess I am aware it is hard to teach a software to play moves that will decrease the evaluation score but that are necessary if one wants to win. But I would expect chess engine programmers to have dealt with it and have found an algorithm ages ago.
I think Nakamura played for over 10 hours yesterday, against an opponent that doesn't make any obvious errors. Must have been torture for Nakamura. Here are the results:
Game 1: Draw
Game 2: Stockfish won
Game 3: Draw
Game 4: Stockfish won
final score Stockfish 3 - Nakamura 1
Here's a stream of a portion of the second game, and the final two games by a NM I think. http://www.twitch.tv/zugaddict/b/561225791
Game 2 was pretty amazing. Nakamura brought Stockfish to the breaking point but the engine simply refused to blunder his position away and was happily shuffling pieces to avoid a draw by third repetition so GM Nakamura who probably got bored to death decided to gamble it with a pawn push which turned out to be a mistake and Stockfish converted it into a win.
@ LetoAtreides82 Thanks for letting us know. Much appreciated.
Indubioproaggredi wrote:
tigerprowl5 hat geschrieben:
"once i played nakamura in the past in such freestyle he did the same"
He should have used an engine against you? LOL
it was about 25000 dollars - he was out after round 1 - we all used engines because it was a free style tournament for much money - he was the only one who did not use an engine - so that is why i thougth that he also did not use rybka really. - he is better in blindfold than me - youi can see here how bad i am on blindfold in bullet and blitz and also longer games - but on otb he is better than me also - very much better - but i am not without any chance for a win also for sure. so what?
A 1400 player compares himselve with GM Nakamura. Very humble!
I don't know if there is much difference between the professional versions and the freely available versions of engines.
There is no "professional" version of Stockfish. The day after Stockfish won the TCEC championship convincingly over Komodo, Stockfish 5 was released.
As for Houdini, Stockfish not only won its matches with Houdini the past 2 years, it actually wiped Houdini off the board in <30 moves in the most recent championship; a stunning result for engines at this level. Houdini has been a distant third behind Stockfish and Komodo for 2 years now...it's only the chess community that is too slow and plodding to catch up and realize this ;).
As for your results with Houdini 1.5 over Stockfish 5, this sounds like a PEBKAC error.
bunkbail wrote:
Hey_Man wrote:
Indubioproaggredi wrote:
Hey_Man hat geschrieben:
justus_jep wrote:
Game 2 was pretty amazing. Nakamura brought Stockfish to the breaking point but the engine simply refused to blunder his position away and was happily shuffling pieces to avoid a draw by third repetition so GM Nakamura who probably got bored to death decided to gamble it with a pawn push which turned out to be a mistake and Stockfish converted it into a win.
I don't know if there is much difference between the professional versions and the freely available versions of engines. My experience has been that the free version of Houdini (I have the 64 bit free version) is much stronger than Stockfish. Here's how I found out. I downloaded the endgames studies from this site (there are about 400 endgames in the zipped version of pgn that can be downloaded). You can read more about why I was doing this here in post #32. First I had Houdini play the winning side against Stockfish in the first endgame in the package a few times (I gave the engines 2 hours for each 40 moves) and left the two playing overnight and again daytime to ensure it was truly a winning position. Then I played the winning position against Houdini under the same conditions. I did this for over a week and each time I could only manage a draw! It was very frustrating. So I moved onto the next game in the package and again the same result against Houdini. After 10 different games from the package and the same result for another week, I began to doubt the package. So, I had Houdini play against Houdini in the first game in the package a few iterations, and the result was a draw each time! I then analyzed the first 40 games in the endgames study package, and found that in each game between 20 to 40 moves into the games (some of the endgames involve over 100 moves from each side), one side had made a major blunder move, giving the win to the opponent. I stopped studying the endgames package from this site, as the games presented are not winning positions for the winning side (no disrespect to the person who compiled the endgames study). Hence, Stockfish seems to lose to Houdini even in theoretical draws (specially in endgames).
it depends how the engine is used. some engines like rybka are designed for clusters with 100 cpus for optimal use. - other engines are optimized for using with only one pc. - top 5 of freestyle and correspodence chess agree that stockfish is the best engine if you use ith with one pc and 8 threads and for long games with days per move - but for games with 3-5 minutes per move, houdini is as well as stockfish or a little bit better. the more pcs you connect and the more time you have for one move the better is rybka still.
Ok then, in my case the endgames lasted 4-5 hours (make 40 moves within 2 hours, and you get another 2 hours added. The maximum time either engine spent for a single move was 1 hour when the position was particularly complex) on a single PC with 4 threads per engine, I found that Houdini beat Stockfish (both 64 bit free versions) in theoretical endgame draws. Stockfish did not even once manage to pull off a draw when the same game was played about 20 times, even though the games played were not exactly the same. Stockfish might be a stronger engine for days of analysis for a single move, but for the layperson that wants to use an engine to improve his/her game on a single PC, my experience has been that Houdini is better.
If you think Houdini 1.5 (free version) is superior to latest SF dev version, then you're obviously know nothing about computer chess. Even the latest Komodo dev version beat 15-2 against the best Houdini version, Houdini 4. Get your facts right.
Insane quotes :D
I'm afraid this match will end in a similar way to the Daniel Naroditsky+Rybka vs. Stockfish match. Thoughts?