Interesting question about Bishop-Knight swaps

Jump to forum:
 
20th February 2009, 10:08am
#1
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 809

If you're forced to swap a Bishop for a Knight but can decide which bishop to give up, is it better to swap the good bishop (In which case your remaining bishop will be bad but so would the opponents unopposed Bishop) or should you swap the bad Bishop (in which case your remaining bishop will be good but so would the opponents unopposed Bishop)

Which is better??

20th February 2009, 10:16am
#2
by Nytik
Southampton United Kingdom
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 4593

Huh? If you swap your bad bishop, why does that automatically mean that your opponent has a good bishop? You should always swap your bad bishop. In addition, in what scenario would either bishop be able to capture the same knight?!? It would have to be a couple of moves in a combination.

20th February 2009, 10:25am
#3
by Niven42
West Lafayette, Indiana United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 1207
Nytik wrote:

Huh? If you swap your bad bishop, why does that automatically mean that your opponent has a good bishop? You should always swap your bad bishop. In addition, in what scenario would either bishop be able to capture the same knight?!? It would have to be a couple of moves in a combination.


A "bad" bishop means that your pawns restrict its movement, i.e. the pawns are either all on black squares or all on white squares.  If you develop your pawns as recommended by Nimzowitsch, Seirawan, et. al., you should end up with chains of pawns on like-colored squares.  If your pawns restrict your bishop's movement, then of course they will restrict your opponent's movement as well, and he will have a "bad bishop" as well.

20th February 2009, 10:27am
#4
by Nytik
Southampton United Kingdom
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 4593

I know, but you're talking about trading bishops with knights. When you say, trading your good bishop for a knight will result in both players having bad bishops, your opponent will ALSO have his good bishop, and you will have the disadvantage!

20th February 2009, 10:37am
#5
by JG27Pyth
NYC United States
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 1421
Niven42 wrote:
Nytik wrote:

Huh? If you swap your bad bishop, why does that automatically mean that your opponent has a good bishop? You should always swap your bad bishop. In addition, in what scenario would either bishop be able to capture the same knight?!? It would have to be a couple of moves in a combination.


A "bad" bishop means that your pawns restrict its movement, i.e. the pawns are either all on black squares or all on white squares.  If you develop your pawns as recommended by Nimzowitsch, Seirawan, et. al., you should end up with chains of pawns on like-colored squares.  If your pawns restrict your bishop's movement, then of course they will restrict your opponent's movement as well, and he will have a "bad bishop" as well.


No, that's not how it works. If his pawns are lets say clogging up the dark squares center for his dark square bishop, then he has a "bad bishop" ... and yes those same pawns are hindering your dark square Bishop's mobility too, sure, but because those pawns are also targets for your Bishop, your Bishop isn't 'bad.'

20th February 2009, 10:43am
#6
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 809
Nytik wrote:

Huh? If you swap your bad bishop, why does that automatically mean that your opponent has a good bishop? You should always swap your bad bishop. In addition, in what scenario would either bishop be able to capture the same knight?!? It would have to be a couple of moves in a combination.


 Please let me clarify

For your second question here is an example diagram (please do not judge the diagram as it may be biased).

 Also the question of Good/Bad bishop relies on blocked pawns (e.g. White's pawns are stuck on light squares and Black's on dark squares) If white has a Knight and his light squared Bishop and black has both bishops white's bishop is bad. However the most likely trade of Bishops leaves White with a Knight and Black with his dark squared Bishop. Since Black's Bishop is bad this endgame favours white.

7th March 2009, 01:57pm
#7
by Catalyst_Kh
Kharkov Ukraine
Member Since: Jan 2009
Member Points: 1156

Chess is not a game that consist of simple assortment of rules. Trading bishop for knight or knight for bishop is always the question of given position, there is no universal solution. Sometimes giving up your good bishop for opponents knight may give you some profit of other type, that is much more valuable than your bad bishop (or than giving up your good one). And sometimes knight is much more profitable piece, so you may avoid of trading your knight even for good opponents bishop. So dont bother yourself with such useless problems, insteed look what is better in concrete positions only. Most times minor pieces exhanges are just tactical or presumped by choosen opening system, or just part of a combination.

9th September 2009, 07:54am
#8
by rab63
? Scotland
Member Since: Apr 2009
Member Points: 1119
Catalyst_Kh wrote:

Chess is not a game that consist of simple assortment of rules. Trading bishop for knight or knight for bishop is always the question of given position, there is no universal solution. Sometimes giving up your good bishop for opponents knight may give you some profit of other type, that is much more valuable than your bad bishop (or than giving up your good one). And sometimes knight is much more profitable piece, so you may avoid of trading your knight even for good opponents bishop. So dont bother yourself with such useless problems, insteed look what is better in concrete positions only. Most times minor pieces exhanges are just tactical or presumped by choosen opening system, or just part of a combination.


 I agree

 

Add your comment:

Join Chess.com for free to add your comment! Already a member? Then login now to comment.