Men VS Women!

Actually, I frequently find that the reverse is true when men are facing women as opposed to other men. While many guys and groups of guys I've encountered display great confidence in their ability to win against a girl or girls, they also fear the idea of losing to a girl due to the social stigma that losing to a girl is shameful and somehow makes you 'less' of a man. I have also seen guys take lots of shit from their buddies for losing to a girl, which only reinforces this stigma. It would be nice if this perception that a guy who loses to a girl must be weak and the accompanying perception that a girl who wins against a guy is somehow more impressive than if she'd beaten another girl would go away, but I don't see that happening for a long time.  

I've seen men get harassed on here for "Losing to a girl" even when she was much higher rated. I don't understand why more ''girls" don't take offence at this attitude.

On a very basic level, yes, but you completely misrepresented the substance of the error.  And then you completely ignored that I was being a pedantic jerk in response to you being a pedantic jerk about someone else's spelling.  So what, when everyone else makes a mistake it's proof of their idiocy, but when you make a mistake you're just so brilliant and wonderfully-educated that you can't help but have these things slip into your writing every now and then?

Christ, no wonder ciljettu likes you; what's the collective noun for slimy, self-important hypocrites?

Haha.  This guy, this guy.

I don't like to think of it this way. I prefer to think we are wired a bit differently and hence, better at different things.

I agree with nameno1had, It takes a certain type of personality to study chess scholastically and I think more men are driven to it than women. Every once in awhile a genius might come along that doesn't have to try like the rest of us (male or female) or a person with a photographic memory might only have to view old games. What is it that makes more men study chess at a higher level than women? I think it's clear men are not more intelligent than women, so why would chess be any different? I guess that generally women have different hobbies and interests than men do and so it only appears that men are better than women at chess because there's a majority of male players in the field.

Sounds like the same thing. Men and women aren't equal. Women are better looking, men are better at everything else.

I'd say women are far better at giving birth and suckling babies. I will give women the benefit of the doubt when it comes to being better at performing sexual functions too...

Yeah, we all know that's not true...

Anyway, it was only meant in a light hearted way.

Light hearted banter?  So now we're calling for @Ciljettu, and his clones?

Chess is (much too often) a trash talking, macho war game.  Thankfully, women like Judit Polgar can overlook these limitations, while she kicks male butt.

When we eventually have a woman as WC, and we will, then all the "machitos" will quickly change their tune by saying--but there are so many more men in the second tier of the GM ranks.

So what.  Get over it.

You unctuous little twit.  Please don't tell me how to talk in the locker room.  I doubt you have ever been in one, except perhaps the men's locker room of your swimming pool.

Dirty Harry, indeed.  @Ciljettu, sing us the Monty Python lumberjack song, pretty please.  You're such a manly man.  

Another breathtaking non-sequitur from @Ciljettu, the logician (and magician) of gender discussions with the underaged.

We remain ever in your debt, your Lordship.

Have a nice Holiday weekend, everyone.

Hardly a non-sequitur.

I know many other girls who find it offensive. After all, underlying the stigma is the assumption that girls are inherently inferior, hence why a guy who loses to a girl is considered a 'wimp' or a 'weakling'. The mutual insecurity caused by this bias is probably responsible for the defensive behavior some women competitors display toward male opponents, and for the hostility some male competitors display toward female opponents.  

@Joey, this thread (and so many like it) are ample testimony to "trash taking men with a chip on their shoulder."

Yes, tourneys are quiet.  So what.  You mistake the part for the whole.  I said nothing about how male GMs comport themselves.

For the disinterested reader of this thread, the roughly 260 posts contain more than enough "evidence" for what I have asserted.  And most folks will make up their own minds, quietly.

Have a nice Memorial Weekend, everyone.

I don't get some men...I would be happy to have several women chess players thrash me regularly, just because I am a gluton for punishment...In fact, I'd rather lose to a woman than another dude...

Just because the guys you know don't care more when their loss is to a girl than they do when its to a guy doesn't change the fact that some of the guys I know do. I fail to see why your personal experences make my personal experiences any less real. Also, Conflagration_Planet in his reply to me stated that he had seen guys harassed for losing to a girl on this very site, even when the girl had a higher rating, so clearly there are people who don't think that rating trumps gender. I am not saying that the guys you know or that you yourself feel this way, only that some of the guys I know do.

Ok, hypothetical question, would you rather be a Super GM and world champ, as well as, be a lonely dweeb who is too prideful to get beat by a woman, or have a beautiful wife who is rated about 2500 FIDE whom you lose about 50% of your games to?

It isn't a hard decision for me...

Besides, all of this pointless rhetoric, lets play coed and naked chess. I have a feeling if we all played in our birthbay suits, the rating difference would level off fast.

In real life, yes they do. I'm not a chess player except for losing all the time on here, but I've seen many many examples in things other than chess of insecure men who hate losing at anything to women. By hate losing I mean they hate losing to men of course, but can deal with it. Losing to a woman on the other hand undermines their manhood, and they can't deal with it.