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Relationship between Chess rating and I.Q?


  • 24 months ago · Quote · #321

    JacksofClubs

    madhacker wrote:

    "IQ x 100 + 1000 =~ top possible rating"

    = 100 x 100 + 1000

    = 10000 + 1000

    = 11000

    Person of average intelligence can reach ELO 11000 with enough work!

    x 10

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #322

    beerainsdone

    exactly my point. thanks nemo. you proved urself wrong or right?

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #323

    Cojabo

    Why bother talking about tournament players? If the trend can be seen anywhere that intelligence correlates with better chess skills it can be seen at the Grandmasters. It seems very common sense to me that higher intelligence is a big asset. A person with a very high IQ can usually solve math problems more easily and therefore i conclude it must be the same with chess. Or course dumber people can beat smarter people in chess and even have better skills if they put enough effort. If however 2 people of different intelligence study the same material for the same time with the same passion and all te more intelligent person will surely be stronger chess wise.

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #324

    beerainsdone

    im stupid

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #325

    nameno1had

    @ beerainsdon

    In the proverbial sense you are right....you can't become counted as wise until you are humble enough to realize how much you don't know and/or how much there could be to know.... I think you worded your statement a bit ambiguously though... I was being facetious and punning the literal interpretation....

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #326

    beerainsdone

    thanks? im only kidding. this thread keeps popping up on my page. guess i need to "uncheck" it. hows ur day nemo?

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #327

    nameno1had

    over with, but good otherwise.....you ?

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #328

    beerainsdone

    got the busy part overwith. now just relaxin and tryin to decide on where to move. in between places now. obviously a long story. oh... isee ur name now. i just glanced at it. thought it said Nemo. sorry. I live in Austin. its ok...

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #329

    nameno1had

    That is why I use the icon.... people kept typing nemo to either shorten my name for ease of typing, perhaps to mess with me....

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #330

    beerainsdone

    my original name was BeeRainDone.

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #331

    nameno1had

    I couldn't think of a good one and all of the run of the mill names were taken....

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #332

    beerainsdone

    i wasnt looking at the list of "banned" for cheating folks. geez. i must have seen at least 2000 names. They apparently have a very effective way of catching cheaters. Its everyday. Good job Chess,com. What was this thread about again? oh yeah, im a genius.... thanx. I know. I know. Oh stop. I know. Yeah. Oh stop. Im not that smart. Oh. youre smart too. Ok stop... 

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #333

    nameno1had

    I'm sorry... I was watching tv, did you say something?

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #334

    beerainsdone

    haha. what? so, when u are playing online games try playing upside down, from the other persons point of view. its kinda weird. then watch the game after when ur pieces are on the bottom. its kind of a cool way to see the game literally from a different perspective...

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #335

    nameno1had

    I used to read the newspaper upside down for the hell of it....

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #336

    beerainsdone

    good job. now we are talkin intelligence. haha.....

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #337

    Kingpatzer

    Cojabo wrote:

    Why bother talking about tournament players? If the trend can be seen anywhere that intelligence correlates with better chess skills it can be seen at the Grandmasters. 

    The IQ of GM's have been studied with respect to their chess skill. The first paper on this appeared in 1927. In that paper, Djakow and his associates tested grandmasters, including several world champions and some of the elite players of the day, they found no difference between the highly talented group and a control group of adult non-chess players. 

    The relationship between chess and visual-spatial intelligence has been tested and there is no correllation.

    Chess players, including grandmasters, have been parts of studies using the Guilford-Zimmerman Spatial Visualization Subtest, the Berlin Structural Model of Intelligence, The Shape Memory MV-1 Test, the Intelligenz-Stuktur-Test 2000 R, the Raven Progressive Matrices, Digit Span Task, the Corsi block-tapping test, the Wechsler Intelligence Scale for Children (among child GMs), and none of them found a correllation between mental capacity and chess ability. 

    There is 90 years of research on this. 

    There is no correllation between IQ and chess ability in the chess playing population. 

    Indeed, identifying why there is no relationship between general IQ and chess ability has become a really interesting area of investigation for that reason, and has contributed significantly to the current body of theory around what components make for expertise (chunking theory, template theory, apperception-restructuring theory, long term working memory, and so forth) and how those elements are created in individuals with normal IQs.

    The big differentiators for chess ability is the amount of deliberate practice alone. But that is still only moderately associated with chess skill even when a number of other factors, such as practice with others, competative games played, and the number of chess books owned were entered into a regression analysis. 

    What's really fascinating is that Ward, Hodges, Williams and Starkes did a review in literature across domains, and using the same criteria, the same level of correllation holds for other sports and activities as well. 

    One possible explanation for why intelligence isn't related to chess ability may have to do with selective drop-out. That is, the population of active tournament chess players' intelligence distribution has already been accounted for in the sample because only those people whose intellictual abilities put them in the range of players likely to be successful tournament players remain tournament players, all others having given up the game, thus giving researchers access to only a restricted range. 

    But that explanation seems to be lacking as Bilalic, Gruber and others have found that the correllation between chess skill and intelligence in children is slightly negative!! The smarter kids tend not to practice as hard or as long, and thus their skills quickly drop behind the less intelligent peers! 

  • 24 months ago · Quote · #338

    zborg

    Great post @Kingpatzer.

    You prove (yet again) that chess players are clearly Smarter Than the Average Bear.

    Despite your herculean efforts, that bias is likely to remain a constant in these endless threads on chess and intelligence, however construed.

    Thanks for all your good work.  Is anyone listening?  Q.E.D.  Smile 

  • 23 months ago · Quote · #339

    bastira

    how about poker?

  • 23 months ago · Quote · #340

    nameno1had

    I would say intuiton, luck and control over ones outward appearance of thoughts and feelings is more important than intelligence in poker. One of the most important assets to have to give you the edge in poker is, no fear of losing. You can bluff indifinitely....and a bad hand and bet won't show outwardly...


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