yeah, i've lost on time on online chess even though the position should have been drawn. c'est la vie
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all u have to do is hit draw and the game is over. it wont draw unless u ask for it
oh, the frustration. . .
I believe there might be code running on the site to verify draw by perpetual check, you'd just have to continue playing long enough for the program to verify it (that means repeating the EXACT same moves, even if other moves are "check" as well). In the future, you might want to consider contacting a staff member who could verify it too. There's no reason that this game should have counted as a loss for you.
As far as the question of unsportsmanlike conduct goes, that would require the chat logs. Did you offer a draw? Most situations (where one person believes the game has ended, but the other insists on playing) are often misunderstandings of the hopelessness of the situation. Good communication can sometimes alleviate this. I hope this works out to your advantage.
Perpetual check is not an automatic draw. In the case of the above game, once the position had repeated itself for the third time, which is in move 47, by my count, if the black player had hit the "Offer Draw" button, the game would have ended immediately as a draw, the white player would not have been given a choice. When a position is repeated a third time, by rule, the draw must be claimed, it is not automatic.
Oct 28, 2008
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Baseballfan wrote:
Perpetual check is not an automatic draw. In the case of the above game, once the position had repeated itself for the third time, which is in move 47, by my count, if the black player had hit the "Offer Draw" button, the game would have ended immediately as a draw, the white player would not have been given a choice. When a position is repeated a third time, by rule, the draw must be claimed, it is not automatic.
I believe you mean the "CLAIM DRAW" button - rather than "Offer Draw" button. "The "Offer Draw" button changes to a "Claim Draw" button whenever a position repeats itself for the third time." Allegedly.
It is unbelievable that mr. devol is born in 1966. If he were born 1996 his youth could explain his a behavior.
We have to get some rules of game conduct going. This is bordering on stupid. We should all be old enought to act like ladies and gentlemen!
artfizz wrote:
Baseballfan wrote:
Perpetual check is not an automatic draw. In the case of the above game, once the position had repeated itself for the third time, which is in move 47, by my count, if the black player had hit the "Offer Draw" button, the game would have ended immediately as a draw, the white player would not have been given a choice. When a position is repeated a third time, by rule, the draw must be claimed, it is not automatic.
I believe you mean the "CLAIM DRAW" button - rather than "Offer Draw" button. "The "Offer Draw" button changes to a "Claim Draw" button whenever a position repeats itself for the third time." Allegedly.
I'm not 100% sure that the text changes, but the function does, and it's in the same place.
As long as we play games with a dropdead time limit, some #$%& people will attempt to play the clock, not the board. I'd rather get a winning position, even if I do lose on time (which I just did). Better play 30/15, or other flexible time limit!
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I am a little confused. What is the problem. If you are playing a timed game, why is it wrong to play the clock? I dont see it as unsporting in anyway.
It's unsportsmanlike because even though perpetual check is a drawn position, there's no provision to programatically determine that this is the case and switch the functionality of the "Offer Draw" button as described above. Baxterross' opponent took advantage of this gap to try to weasel out a win on time from a legally drawn position.
Perhaps he is exploiting a loophole in the system, and i if so I still think that to name and shame in this manner is a bit harsh. To call him childish than act like a pack of baying hounds over something so trivial is quite remarkable. The odd underserved win or loss shouldn't adversley affect your ratings over time anyway. Some perspective, perhaps.
I agree that this isn't necessarily the right forum for the offender's name to be published, but your inquiry was with respect to how this was unsportsmanlike.
As for acting like a pack of baying hounds, I really think that's overstating. What's posted above is mostly intelligent discourse and resaonable, measured analysis of the situation, the exception maybe being my posting of the far-side cartoon, which was meant to state that sometimes you simply have to learn to live with people like this.
There's nothing wrong with playing the clock, although if I'm beaten but ahead in time I'll typically resign out of courtesy.
The problem here is the exploitation of a loophole to win what was a dead drawn game.
Baseballfan wrote:
Perpetual check is not an automatic draw. In the case of the above game, once the position had repeated itself for the third time, which is in move 47, by my count, if the black player had hit the "Offer Draw" button, the game would have ended immediately as a draw, the white player would not have been given a choice. When a position is repeated a third time, by rule, the draw must be claimed, it is not automatic.
Thanks for clearing that up Josh. I knew that it had to be repetitive, but didn't know the details. It's good to know how you can save your draws! 
Oct 28, 2008
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Wait - you had 8 minutes on the clock and still lost on time?????
I play a lot of 1 0 in live chess and there is absolutely NOTHING wrong, in that time control, with playing the clock.
There was a bug awhile back though where if someone lost on time but the other player had no material, then it was still a win. (Yahoo! chess had the same problem for awhile). I believe it's been fixed in the meantime, here. I don't play Yahoo anymore... :-)
FYI, I believe that the text on the button does not change when a draw is available to be claimed. I also believe that this is the correct approach as it should be up to the player claiming the draw to recognize that the opportunity has arisen to do so. What would be nice, although likely exceedingly difficult to do without hampering the performance of live chess anyway, would be if perpetual check was detected and also triggered this functional change to the "Offer Draw" button.
Played this game today and managed to salvage a draw by perpetual check.
EXCEPT my opponent, Devol, thought it would be cute to continue playing the clearly drawn position and try to win on time. [I had 8 minutes on the clock still left]
I have seen unsportsmanlike conduct like this before and I don't think it belongs in chess or anything else for that matter.
I finally ended up resigning in frustration, It's a shame there isn't a way to verify that a position really is a draw when one of the player's acts in this manner.