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With Best Play for both sides Chess is a Draw--So Why Do We Play?


  • 4 months ago · Quote · #461

    BMeck

    Jion_Wansu wrote:

    That's like saying, with best fighting on both sides, a boxing match is a draw...

    Horrible example but I digress.... I think what is more important than anything is that even if chess is solved as a forced win for either side, no human person can memorize all of the forced lines. No one can compete with computers now when it comes to memory, imagine computers in 20, 50, 100 years. As to the question why do we play? Best play is virtually impossible, especially at our levels. No reason to quit playing because there is a 0.0000001% chance that your opponent will play all of the best moves.

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #462

    pujara123

    not even carlsen plays perfect. he is not a computer so why are you saying we should not play?

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #463

    ponz111

    Sangwin wrote:

    I can't help but think when quantom computing comes full circle a system where by the values of individual squares will change.  that white will be able to incrementally gain advantage and eventually a mid-game position will be dicovered that yields a won endgame with white.  It will of course be kept secret by the uscf so as not to take away from the allure of chess discovery.

    The facxt that computers/chess engines will get even stronger does not mean that chess might be a win for White. There have been billions of chess games played in the last few hundred years. There is not one game Where White [ or Black] forced a win from move 1.

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #464

    Phoenix-2

    Why do we play? Ans,- We play to win through our competitive spirit, the thing is  that we win  on our opponents mistakes. The challenge is that both players contest that they will not be the first to 'seed' such a mistake. A draw proves the equality. All the rest is ratings.

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #465

    Xeelfiar

    Because we are humans and we always make mistakes

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #466

    Phoenix-2

    One thing is for sure,- 'there is no forced win in chess'. If it were the case then nobody would bother to play the game. So therein lies the answer-neither side can force win so the game must be drawn with best play. I rest my case, and agree with ponz111, - and my betters, the Masters!!

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #467

    satorichess

    Sorry this is a stupid question, first of all because you have to proove it that your playing actually correspond to the best possible playing. Secondly because even if this is the case you cannot be sure of the outcome still, depending on wheather you play black or white and that's still have to be prooven by the fastest computer (and probably never will).Third just play your games and win if you can and don't worry too much about universal problem which don't bother you, that's all about chess and life.

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #468

    bigpoison

    Grimwell wrote:

    Baseball is a draw with best play from both sides, but we still play that.  And in a hundred some years of trying, no pair of teams has come together yet to play a game that lasted infinite innings.  Probably never will.

    Same deal with chess, pretty much.

    Called because of darkness:

    ----------------1 2 3  4 5 6  7 8 9  10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18  - R
    Washington         0 0 0   0 0 0   0 0 0    0   0   0    0   0   0    0   0    0  -  0 
    Detroit                 0 0 0   0 0 0   0 0 0    0   0   0    0   0   0    0   0    0  -  0  

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #469

    ponz111

    satorichess wrote:

    Sorry this is a stupid question, first of all because you have to proove it that your playing actually correspond to the best possible playing. Secondly because even if this is the case you cannot be sure of the outcome still, depending on wheather you play black or white and that's still have to be prooven by the fastest computer (and probably never will).Third just play your games and win if you can and don't worry too much about universal problem which don't bother you, that's all about chess and life.

    You make a lot of assumptions here.  Why do you have to prove chess is a draw with best play?  Why do you think [seem to think] you playing a chess game will prove or disprove anything?

    Why would you have to "worry" that chess is a draw? [or not a draw]

    I do agree that you should play your games to win and not to "worry" about the "universal problem" [presume you mean chess is a draw question].

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #470

    waffllemaster

    TheARBChessSystem wrote:

    We Play!..Because there is  a Chance We can change the Result!

    You, everyone you know, and everything you know, will one die die or disappear.  Yet you still have goals and dreams and continue to live.  Why?

    Same idea.

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #471

    Sangwin

    waffllemaster wrote:
    TheARBChessSystem wrote:

    We Play!..Because there is  a Chance We can change the Result!

    You, everyone you know, and everything you know, will one die die or disappear.  Yet you still have goals and dreams and continue to live.  Why?

    Same idea.

    because everyday the sun rises is a good day Laughing

    and every day I set up the pieces on the black and white,  I enjoy the fight~

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #472

    fabelhaft

    Because it's so easy to avoid losing by just playing the best move all the time?

  • 4 months ago · Quote · #473

    waffllemaster

    TheARBChessSystem wrote:
    waffllemaster wrote:
    TheARBChessSystem wrote:

    We Play!..Because there is  a Chance We can change the Result!

    You, everyone you know, and everything you know, will one die die or disappear.  Yet you still have goals and dreams and continue to live.  Why?

    Same idea.

    Hope! is the Word!  which could be Greater than Faith or Love ? another Discussion!

    A.R.B

    Yes, hope for the journey, not hope for the end result.


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