With Best Play for both sides Chess is a Draw--So Why Do We Play?

I know, right, who needs electricity, spaceships, medicine etc. Life's great when a plague outbreak can eradicate 1/3 of your population :)

Two things, firstly, that's an argument from incredulity logical fallacy, secondly, every God ever proposed has been a "God of the gaps" or a God that is credited with doing everything until a theory comes along to explain it, when it falls back to something else that hasn't been proven to be caused by something else. Religion has a 0% batting average on things attributed to God.

I digress, this should be saved for elsewhere.

Science keeps proving religions attempts to explain things from a faith based point of view, instead of a must prove it point of view, that it is batting 1.000 % ... misapplied theory along with incorrect theories that athiest and humanistic scientists don't determine religion's batting average... Yes this discussion belongs some where else, called no where, because there is no more  point in coming down to your level of education, understanding and discerment to try explaining to someone who doesn't want to believe certain truths...

Now that's just ad hominem and rhetoric, not to mention incomprehensible. FYI, I'm in IB 12, getting =/>5 in everything, skipped a grade, and am taking HL Math, Chem and Bio. (Not to mention a >2000 SAT score first try without studying). Intelligence is one thing you probably can't attack me on :)

nameno

Instead of arguing your opponent is not very well educated or does not want to believe certain truths--take this to a forum where someone can give you a response. Unfair to use  ad hominen attacks also.

If you think there is no point in making your point -why make it here where chess.com says not to.  Go to Open Discussion and make your point and you will have worthy opponents.

you don't even know what those mean... if you do apply them properly...

Well, sometimes your grade depends a lot on how much you want it. Just as one could specialize in being a chess master one could do so with grades too.

Pointing out someone's flaws, evident by their argument, isn't ad hominem...that is what sore losers resort to when they get told how it is...I am untracking this thread...you could beat in a war of words, you aren't smart enough... that isn't necessarily a bad thing, we are all endowed differently, and someone pointing it out isn't necessarily being derogatory...

Fair enough, but, come on, my level of education is not a weakness. (Not in response to Nameno)

I think I can take solace in the fact that I reduced him to ebonics and logical fallacies :P

Elubas, although what you say is true, I would say that in general, intelligence and success in school go hand-in-hand. Also, in the IB program, both extremely hard work and intelligence are required.

Dude, get over yourself.

Yes, smart people tend to want to take classes like that. But, if someone happens to be smart and for some reason doesn't want to take those classes -- maybe they want some different challenge, or simply don't want to give themselves more work -- then that doesn't change their intelligence. There are other variables that can make you take advanced classes.

The problem with this type of discourse back and forth is it is frowned on by chess.com and since it is frowned on one side or the other cannot give a really good and full response. 

If you really believe in your opinions/statments have the courage to go to Open Discussion where you will be challenged.  [this goes for anybody]  

[I will say condude is very intelligent and hope he tries Open Discussion]

I can't find the Open discussion :P Do you mean Off-topic?

It is a group, not a forum

Oh, that explains things.(Joined it BTW)

Well, the kind of person who brags about their SAT's is often also a person who will obsess with doing well on it so that they can say they did well on it :)

Open Discussion is a group. The only place on chess.com where you can discuss religion, politics or whatever you want to discuss.

Those who end sentences with "End of story" will not do well there.

Those who are not critical thinkers will not do well there.

Those who are open minded and  wish to have a REAL discussion with some really intelligent people will do well there.

+10,

Thanks, @Grob, for bring a breath of sanity to this often times sidetracked thread.

As for the OPEN Forum, I am sorry to report that it is worse than you could ever imagine.

Compared to even the regular forum, the OPEN forum is absolutely loaded with ninnys, and breathtakingly strange ideas.

The annonymous character of internet plays havoc with the regular forums.  But it renders the OPEN forum both unaccountable AND unworkable.  It's a very scary place with lots of (seemingly polite) religious, social, and political fanatics.

I spent about 3 days as a member.  I was aghast with what I found myself reading.  

The "Open Discussion" group makes the regular forums look like a scholarly discussion at a major University.

Don't waste you time with the OPEN forum.  Most don't, and for very good reasons.