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Draw by Insufficient Material


  • 3 years ago · Quote · #1

    kokakola

    I find it strange that several games I played in live chess were drawn "by insufficient material" while one side had pawns remaining on board. Is there a problem on this site or a chess rule that I don't know of?

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #2

    santiR

    that must be a glitch.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #3

    ty4playing

    If one player were to run out of time but the other has insufficient material it would still be considered a draw for lack of sufficient material.  Is this the case?

    Otherwise, it sounds like a glitch to me, too.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #4

    heavyop

    Its because the side that didn't have any material (or sufficient material to mate) won on time but since that side can't win, the game is a draw

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #5

    kokakola

    ty4playing wrote:

    If one player were to be losing due to time but the other has insufficient material it would still be considered a draw for lack of sufficient material.  Is this the case?

    Otherwise, it sounds like a glitch to me, too.


    Yes, this was the case - one player had insufficient material. Now it all makes sense. Thanks.

    But still - rules of chess on draws are (taken from this website):

    Draws

    Occasionally chess games do not end with a winner, but with a draw. There are 5 reasons why a chess game may end in a draw:

    1. The position reaches a stalemate where it is one player’s turn to move, but his king is NOT in check and yet he does not have another legal move
    2. The players may simply agree to a draw and stop playing
    3. There are not enough pieces on the board to force a checkmate (example: a king and a bishop vs. a king)
    4. A player declares a draw if the same exact position is repeated three times (though not necessarily three times in a row)
    5. Fifty consecutive moves have been played where neither player has moved a pawn or captured a piece.

    So still, in such a situation none of these rules are met...

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #6

    gustavotaek

    what is a glitch? It`s the only word I don't understand

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #7

    TadDude

    F.I.D.E Laws of Chess

    6.10

    Except where Articles 5.1 or one of the Articles 5.2 (a), (b) and (c) apply, if a player does not complete the prescribed number of moves in the allotted time, the game is lost by the player. However, the game is drawn, if the position is such that the opponent cannot checkmate the player`s king by any possible series of legal moves, even with the most unskilled counterplay.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #8

    HotFlow

    glitch = kind of error.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #9

    DW_Batty

    TadDude wrote:

    F.I.D.E Laws of Chess

    6.10

    Except where Articles 5.1 or one of the Articles 5.2 (a), (b) and (c) apply, if a player does not complete the prescribed number of moves in the allotted time, the game is lost by the player. However, the game is drawn, if the position is such that the opponent cannot checkmate the player`s king by any possible series of legal moves, even with the most unskilled counterplay.


    So if the position is king and two knights v king, and the player with just the king runs out of time, he loses, right?

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #10

    BorgQueen

    ▲ Correct.

    gustavotaek wrote:what is a glitch? It`s the only word I don't understand

    Software bug.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #11

    mitto

    All is right

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #12

    mjomyers

    This came up today in an OTB game... my opponent ran out of time with a his K and Q vs. my K and P.  Although highly unlikely that my pawn would promote, would my pawn be considered sufficient material?  Was it a win or draw for me?

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #13

    burntchips

    mjomyers wrote:

    This came up today in an OTB game... my opponent ran out of time with a his K and Q vs. my K and P.  Although highly unlikely that my pawn would promote, would my pawn be considered sufficient material?  Was it a win or draw for me?


    It was a win for you, as the pawn COULD promote, if counterplay was 'the most unskilled possible'

    I think.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #14

    CPawn

    It has to be a glitch.  I lost a game on time 2 days ago.  I had a king and a knight, my opponent had a king and a bishop.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #15

    AnthonyCG

    jamesjddongchess wrote:

    Hey does anyone know whether eg: you have a king and a lone bishop but you have a possibility of smothered mating the opponent, but it cannot be forced. Does the computer factor this in? or is it way too uncommon to get a smothered mate?


    You should post the positon, because it depends on what's on the board. However, since a smothered mate is possible I assume that your opponent had pawns or pieces blocking his king so K+B might have the win, but again it depends on exactly what's on the board.
  • 3 years ago · Quote · #16

    pawnpusher12345

    actually, if one side had insufficient material to checkmate vs king eg:2 knights and king vs king and the other side runs out of time then yes it is a draw, BUT if the other side still had a pawn then checkmate IS POSSIBLE if counterplay was the most unskilled possible(this is also true for one bishop and one knight)so if you had one of the combinations mentioned above and your opponent runs out of time then you win

     

    probablyWink

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #17

    pawnpusher12345

    CPawn wrote:

    It has to be a glitch.  I lost a game on time 2 days ago.  I had a king and a knight, my opponent had a king and a bishop.


    How does that work out?  The game should have drawn right when it reached K and N vs K and B

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #18

    pawnpusher12345

    pawnpusher12345 wrote:
    CPawn wrote:

    It has to be a glitch.  I lost a game on time 2 days ago.  I had a king and a knight, my opponent had a king and a bishop.


    How does that work out?  The game should have drawn right when it reached K and N vs K and B


    I think I get it now,you lost on time because your opponent could've gotten mate if this position was reached

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #19

    kokakola

    Here's a link to a site that analyses this deeply: http://www.e4ec.org/immr.html

    As far as I understand, checkmate must be totally impossible to draw, so in the situation king vs king + 2 knights, if the player with the king runs out of time, the player with the king + 2 knights is a winner.

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #20

    svenwitteveen

    pawnpusher12345 wrote:
    pawnpusher12345 wrote:
    CPawn wrote:

    It has to be a glitch.  I lost a game on time 2 days ago.  I had a king and a knight, my opponent had a king and a bishop.


    How does that work out?  The game should have drawn right when it reached K and N vs K and B


    I think I get it now,you lost on time because your opponent could've gotten mate if this position was reached


    It's worth studying this since this means that for white giving away the horse or taking the bisshop (in some hypothetical state of the end-game) would have resulted in a draw.


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