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kokakola
I find it strange that several games I played in live chess were drawn "by insufficient material" while one side had pawns remaining on board. Is there a problem on this site or a chess rule that I don't know of?
santiR
that must be a glitch.
ty4playing
If one player were to run out of time but the other has insufficient material it would still be considered a draw for lack of sufficient material. Is this the case?
Otherwise, it sounds like a glitch to me, too.
heavyop
Its because the side that didn't have any material (or sufficient material to mate) won on time but since that side can't win, the game is a draw
If one player were to be losing due to time but the other has insufficient material it would still be considered a draw for lack of sufficient material. Is this the case?
Yes, this was the case - one player had insufficient material. Now it all makes sense. Thanks.
But still - rules of chess on draws are (taken from this website):
Occasionally chess games do not end with a winner, but with a draw. There are 5 reasons why a chess game may end in a draw:
So still, in such a situation none of these rules are met...
gustavotaek
what is a glitch? It`s the only word I don't understand
TadDude
F.I.D.E Laws of Chess
6.10
Except where Articles 5.1 or one of the Articles 5.2 (a), (b) and (c) apply, if a player does not complete the prescribed number of moves in the allotted time, the game is lost by the player. However, the game is drawn, if the position is such that the opponent cannot checkmate the player`s king by any possible series of legal moves, even with the most unskilled counterplay.
HotFlow
glitch = kind of error.
DW_Batty
So if the position is king and two knights v king, and the player with just the king runs out of time, he loses, right?
BorgQueen
▲ Correct.
Software bug.
mitto
All is right
mjomyers
This came up today in an OTB game... my opponent ran out of time with a his K and Q vs. my K and P. Although highly unlikely that my pawn would promote, would my pawn be considered sufficient material? Was it a win or draw for me?
burntchips
It was a win for you, as the pawn COULD promote, if counterplay was 'the most unskilled possible'
I think.
CPawn
It has to be a glitch. I lost a game on time 2 days ago. I had a king and a knight, my opponent had a king and a bishop.
AnthonyCG
Hey does anyone know whether eg: you have a king and a lone bishop but you have a possibility of smothered mating the opponent, but it cannot be forced. Does the computer factor this in? or is it way too uncommon to get a smothered mate?
pawnpusher12345
actually, if one side had insufficient material to checkmate vs king eg:2 knights and king vs king and the other side runs out of time then yes it is a draw, BUT if the other side still had a pawn then checkmate IS POSSIBLE if counterplay was the most unskilled possible(this is also true for one bishop and one knight)so if you had one of the combinations mentioned above and your opponent runs out of time then you win
probably
How does that work out? The game should have drawn right when it reached K and N vs K and B
I think I get it now,you lost on time because your opponent could've gotten mate if this position was reached
Here's a link to a site that analyses this deeply: http://www.e4ec.org/immr.html
As far as I understand, checkmate must be totally impossible to draw, so in the situation king vs king + 2 knights, if the player with the king runs out of time, the player with the king + 2 knights is a winner.
svenwitteveen
It's worth studying this since this means that for white giving away the horse or taking the bisshop (in some hypothetical state of the end-game) would have resulted in a draw.
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