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DavidReti

Last night, I played a game at 5|15 time limit. We reached a position where I had R+3P vs R+2P. It was not clearly won for me, but it wasn't clearly drawn either. My opponent began offering a draw nearly every move, which was very annoying. In an OTB tournament game, I think such behaviour would be prevented by an arbiter, if one were present.

Could chess.com implement the following rule: after 1 refused draw offer, a player cannot offer another draw for 2 moves; after 2 refused draw offers, a player must wait 3 moves before making another draw offer; after 3 offers, they must wait 4 moves; and so on....

I think this programming change would put a stop to this kind of annoying behaviour.

notmtwain

No wonder he wanted a draw.

solid_style

Come on DavidReti, do you really think it was not clearly a draw? Maybe you think you had winning chances?

Like "notmtwain" said, no wonder I wanted a draw!

"insomnian" is also right, I was trying to achieve a 3 repetition draw, in the middle of all those meaningless rook moves.

Imo, it is your kind of behaviour that is very annoying, to continue a dead drawn game forever, maybe hoping that I would resign or abandon the game or disconnect somehow...

I know you were probably expecting to win in the begining given the huge rating difference and that, because of that, you were/are pissed, but some fair play from you instead of accusations would be more appreciated...

DavidReti
@solid_style: you are misrepresenting the facts: you started offering a draw every move from about move 60, when the game was finely balanced between a draw and a win for Black. This was highly irritating and cost me time on the clock, as I had to decline a draw on every move. By the time the position became a clear draw, I was very cross and decided to annoy you in return, by playing on in a dead drawn position. This was poor behaviour on my part, but it was done in response to your poor behaviour. Even in a dead drawn position, a player who is a pawn up has the right to test the defensive technique of the player who is a pawn down. And they should have the right to do this without being distracted by an endless series of draw offers.
EricFleet
DavidReti wrote:

Last night, I played a game at 5|15 time limit. We reached a position where I had R+3P vs R+2P. It was not clearly won for me, but it wasn't clearly drawn either. My opponent began offering a draw nearly every move, which was very annoying. In an OTB tournament game, I think such behaviour would be prevented by an arbiter, if one were present.

Could chess.com implement the following rule: after 1 refused draw offer, a player cannot offer another draw for 2 moves; after 2 refused draw offers, a player must wait 3 moves before making another draw offer; after 3 offers, they must wait 4 moves; and so on....

I think this programming change would put a stop to this kind of annoying behaviour.

Don't decline. Just make your move.

vmsfinale
EricFleet wrote:

Don't decline. Just make your move.

exactly.its not like like the draw offer icon jumps on your chessboard screen & blocks your mouse taps

Idryel
insomnian a écrit :
vmsfinale wrote:

 like the draw offer icon jumps on your chessboard screen & blocks your mouse taps

Mouse is nothing, once I had a draw offer which blocked my coffemaker.

It's nothing, Once, a draw offer blocked my lungs.

vmsfinale

that escalated quicklyMoney Mouth

TurboFish

Many people seem to be unaware that a draw offer can simply be ignored, without any type of acknowledgement at all.  In an OTB game I might respond to a draw offer by quietly nodding my head yes or no, but if I do this, it's only out of politeness (and if I'm not in time-trouble).  But I see no need or reason to click on the "Decline Draw" button in an internet chess game since this would do nothing but delay both players unecesarrily.

So I encourage my opponents to offer draws as often as they desire!  It will slow them down, by it won't have any affect on me.  I probably won't even notice, unless I also feel the need for draw.

I_Am_Second
notmtwain wrote:
 

No wonder he wanted a draw.


It doesnt get much more drawn than that

pt22064

I didn't realize that you don't have to click decline.  Saves a few seconds!  Oddly, I find that I always read the text in the draw offer box even though I know exactly what it says.  It is a bit distracting, but that might be due to my inability to focus.  :-)

varelse1

I agree with David. That is a very good suggestion.

TurboFish

pt22064 wrote:

I didn't realize that you don't have to click decline.  Saves a few seconds!  Oddly, I find that I always read the text in the draw offer box even though I know exactly what it says.  It is a bit distracting, but that might be due to my inability to focus.  :-)

Focus is one of the most difficult skills to achieve!

solid_style

DavidReti, I have no idea when I started offering a draw, but it looks to me that you are also really exagerating/misrepresenting the facts.

I believe it wasn't as early as move 60 and for sure it was not for every move, only when your play didn't present no plan or purpose or when you somehow repeated the same positions (which, you must agree, happen a lot).

Anyway, it wasn't my goal to annoy you (it's not my fault that you didn't know that you could simply ignore those draw offers). If I presented draw offers is because I really believe the game is a theoretical draw.

If I wanted to annoy you, I would begin since move 1.

Take it easy (shaking hands)... :)

colinsaul

I think that this is a game where the rule is if the players make 50 moves with nothing happening the game is a draw.

notmtwain
colinsaul wrote:

I think that this is a game where the rule is if the players make 50 moves with nothing happening the game is a draw.

Look at the game. There was a pawn move on move 78.  You have to start counting from there.

TheGrobe
DavidReti wrote:

Could chess.com implement the following rule: after 1 refused draw offer, a player cannot offer another draw for 2 moves; after 2 refused draw offers, a player must wait 3 moves before making another draw offer; after 3 offers, they must wait 4 moves; and so on....

This would be a departure from the rules of chess.

How about an option to auto-decline draws instead?

chessforlife15

oh come on he just offered draw not punched you in the face 

varelse1

Good suggestion. There should be a reasonable limit on draw offers.

Chicken_Monster
A_L_I_V_E wrote:

I second the original suggestion by the OP.

I have played against morons who have offered draws as many as 100+ times in a single match in an attempt to win on time.  It was annoying and I chose to block each of those morons.

That being said, I believe that there should be a way to deny all draw requests.  Any member who comes across such a player who continuously makes draw requests should report that player to the chess.com staff. 


I was going to say this is a pretty good idea. I had no idea that someone would do it 100 times. Are you being literal? Or was it like 3-4 times (still too much). How did you make your suggestion?

There should be a setting where you can offer a draw only once every x number of moves or something.