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@Jasonis- Because the response to Ne4 isn't Re1 immediately.5. ... Nxe4, 6. Bxc3, and the usual response is 6. ... dxc6 to avoid having a weak a-pawn. Now 7. Re1 (if followed by f5 then 8. Nxe5 taking the pawn back. Please note that once Bxc3, black cannot defend both his Knight and his e5 pawn, and if he chooses to defend his Knight, it will get pinned to the king)
After Ne4 and Re1 why not pawn to d5?
If black captures pawn, white simply Re1!
I understand -- thanks for playing it out.
if black captures the pawn after white castles white will simply exchane his bishop and blacks knight and then he will play Re1 ,the knight will retreat.white wil be able 2 recapture and black will end up having doubled pawns and an open king
if black captures the pawn after white castles white will simply exchane his bishop and blacks knight and then he will play Re1 ,the knight will retreat.white wil be able 2 recapture and black will end up having doubled pawns and an open king. reply 2 MBorax
notice how no one answered the op's question?
Can someone explain why, after white castles, the black knight can't simply take the e4 pawn and be up on material?
and so black gains by this line opposed to the d-pawn push line
i didnt understand why black plays 3....a6 . could someone pls explain. even without that move black can go ahead with d5 right?
I know that following Ba4 the general move is Nf6, but while b5 forces Bb3, which exploits the long a2-g8 diagonal, I could find no immediate threat that makes this line unplayable for black. Is there something I'm missing, as the Game Explorer came up with exactly 0 master games where b5 was played in this opening?
Where it is presented the Ruy Lopez:Exchange variation???
I've played this opening and the next one on the list, the italian opening, over and over again, w/o knowing their names! I'm as familiar with them as someone of my limited skills can be. Nice to know I've a head start on memorizing openings.
I don't like the ruy lupez opening. I know in the discussion they say b5 isn't gonna happen, but it always does. ALWAYS. Then the pawns block the center and I'm essentially a bishop down. (it's still there, but trapped and passive. I played this in live chess a couple days ago and won, but my bishop was actually on a2 most of the game. I would have lost easily had my partner (a) not been a less experienced player than I and made use of his advantage and (b) not completely forgot about the bishop, and, after material was reduced allowed it to swoop in for the winner. But that win was a function of facing lesser skill, not of a superior opening. Maybe I'll save this opening for later, when I'm playing people who are too advanced to be able to pin it to the sides.
Thank you Blaow, that was very helpful.As I said, i'm just starting to get into the more analytical side of the game (i.e. devoting time to reading about chess techniques and startegies). I found that I can fight my way out of many situations in the end game, but I need to get better with openings.Any advice on openings (or anything else for that matter) will be welcomed. I'm working my way through the chess.com Study Plans and I'm finding very helpful as well. Again, thank you! :-)
Yes, it is an often said principle to avoid moving the same piece more than once. But it is important to know WHY this is a principle... how else will you know when to break it like you ask? This principle exists because you want to develop your pieces at least as fast as (if not faster) than your opponent, because he who has more and better developed pieces can take the initiative.
In the Ruy Lopez, you are correct that with a6 your opponent will force you to move your bishop more than once in the opening. However, your opponent IS NOT developing more pieces than you! You'll notice at the end of this variation White is still ahead in development, with two minors and a castled king.
In the variation you are mentioning, Bc4 (Italian Game) Black's next move will typically be Nf6 or Bc5, so in that game you are also evenly developed. The differences will appear in the placement of white's bishop and the pawn skeleton that black has commited himself to with the ruy lopez. Both are great openings, but lead to very different games.
I hope this helps answer your question.
Question about the principles of openings... I have read somewhere that during the opening phase of the game, you should do your best to not move the same piece twice before the tenth move or so, yet 3. Bb5 puts the white bishop in a position that pretty much garantees that he will have to move it again soon even if Black doesn't immediately move 3. ...- a6.I also remember reading that you shouldn't stick to principle at any cost and should allow for flexibility. I'm kind of lost.Wouln't it be more productive to move 3.Bc4-... where the bishop would not be attacked so soon?Sorry if this move is covered in a variant, I'm just starting to get into the more technical and/or theoretical aspects of chess.
Well in the diagram its black to move, unless instead of 0-0, BxNc6 then dxc6.
Sir_MateAlot, If the light squared bishop takes Nc3, then one of black's pawns can take that Bishop. It's basically an exchange of pieces. It's called the "Exchange Variation." Black's pawn structure is damaged a little bit this way. But if I were you and I runned into this kind of opening, being black, I would take the bishop out with the d7 pawn. Cause then you leave a diagonal open for your bishop. You could argue that the b7 pawn, if you took the bishop with it, that you would leave a file open for your rook. Personally, I would choose the d7 pawn. In my opinion, I think I would have better chances as black if I didn't take my rook out too early. Most ideal thing would be to connect the rooks along the 8th rank since I know now that rooks work most ideally by working together. I know my rating sucks, but I'm pretty sure I'm right ;) (although I'd like to reserve my modest nature to put it quite frankly ;)
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