...The problem continued.

After posting here,
'A recent problem between Christians, because the flesh prevails,' on 26th January, the professing Christian concerned chose to begin to write to me.
And our discourse ended by his choosing also.
Throughout it he spoke as he himself saw it and as is his understanding in Spiritual matters is.
I replied as I saw it and understand because of what The Word Of GOD states.

I prayerfully sought as to whether I should share here all that was shared in this conversation, and I believe it is to do so, again, because of what The Word Of GOD states in such matters.

One, as this man himself maintains, professing to have a ministry serving The LORD and who determines to advise others in Spiritual matters, in things pertaining to GOD, cannot then speak and teach what is contrary to The Word, showing himself unknowing of The Word and of Spiritual matters; of love; and accuse another of being, among other things, unloving and legalistic, and then it not be shown so that those who will listen to and be influenced by such a man in his self-commendation and who clearly believes in his own righteousness, shows himself to be lacking true understanding which shall lead others astray from The Truth Of GOD and all that is truly acceptable in the conduct of a professing believer and follower of JESUS CHRIST; and all according to The Word Of GOD in Truth.

And I apply the same to whatever I share in my understanding and am always open to correction whenever correction is truly warranted and required according to The Word Of GOD.
This is to apply to and be accepted by all who will profess The Name.
No man is himself the oracle.

After all, Scripture warns of those who teach and preach contradicting The Word, for us to recognise them and to turn away from them if they will stubbornly refuse to acknowledge error and correction when their understanding and manner clearly conflicts with Scripture. Romans 16:17-19.

So, and according to the Scriptures, which I shall first share here as to why I now share the words of our conversation, I will share everything said between the two of us, so that those who care to see may do so.
I do this, whether it be just one who cares to read or even if there are none. Ezekiel 33:1-6.

And I do this in nothing of malice but with right intentions; GOD Knows, that the hearts of men may truly be seen in how they will think and consider within themselves to teach and to show example, that it may be shown that any repentance needed, which this man has refused and even took offence at, in the end rebuking my attempting to show him from and because of Scripture, as though I had no place to do so, even though it is in fact according to Scripture that we must do so and in love shall do so. 2 Timothy 2:24-26.

We are to be subject to one another just as and was no different for the Apostles Of our LORD JESUS CHRIST we read of and from in Scripture. Ephesians 5:20-21.

My hope for him and for those who profess to believe and yet think, understand and commit themselves in a manner unworthy of GOD is that they may know Godly repentance so as not to perish, just as GOD, through HIS Word to us all states shall happen to those who do not know GOD and who shall disobey The Gospel Of our LORD JESUS. 2 Thessalonians 1.

Because if we believe in and follow those who do not understand, who will walk and speak, preach and teach contrary to GOD'S Word, we shall undoubtedly share the fate of the blind who shall fall into their own pit.
Luke 6:39-49.

I know, O LORD, that a man's way is not in himself;
Nor is it in a man who walks to direct his steps.
Correct me, O LORD, but with justice;
Not with THINE Anger, lest THOU Bring me to nothing.
Jeremiah 10:23-24.

We all shall get it wrong along the way, but The Message Of The Gospel is repentance for the Forgiveness of sins to our overcoming of sin. And this is The Grace Of GOD through faith in JESUS CHRIST our LORD. 1 John 1:5 - 2:7.

Our living as Christians is not so that we may blindly, even arrogantly remain in sin, refusing and accusing any who will attempt, out of love, to show our errors according to The Word Of GOD because we will arrogantly believe something of ourselves whilst looking down on them with an attitude of, 'Keep to yourself, do not come near me, for I am holier than you!' Isaiah 65:5.

It is those who have GOD'S Commandments, who attend carefully to them to keep them, to guard them, who are those who truly love GOD and shall be loved by HIM, so that HE will Manifest HIMSELF to them. John 14:21-24. Psalm 119:1-24.

It is by these Scriptures that I post as I do here, and the witnesses are The Scriptures:

Do not receive an accusation against an elder except on the basis of two or three witnesses.
Those who continue to sin, rebuke in the presence of all, so that the rest also may be fearful.
I solemnly charge you in The Presence Of GOD and Of CHRIST JESUS and of HIS Chosen angels, to maintain these principles without bias, doing nothing in a spirit of partiality.
1 Timothy 5:19-21

I solemnly charge in The Presence Of GOD and Of CHRIST JESUS, WHO Is to Judge the living and the dead and by HIS Appearing and HIS Kingdom:
Preach The Word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction.

For the time will come when they will not endure Sound Doctrine; but to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance with their own desires; and will turn away their ears from The Truth, and will turn aside to myths.
2 Timothy 4:1-4

...But The Wisdom from Above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and Good fruits, unwavering, without hypocrisy...
James 3:17.

The mind of the prudent acquires knowledge and the ear of the wise seeks knowledge.
Proverbs 18:15

Given this; The Word Of GOD which we are to live by, now in The Kingdom Of GOD, how we as Christians speak is to be according to GOD and shall be, in truth, according to CHRIST; according to Scripture, 1 Peter 4:11, that it may be, in each one of us, recognised of our work of faith and labour of love and steadfastness of hope in our LORD JESUS CHRIST in The Presence Of our GOD And FATHER, knowing, Brethren Beloved By GOD, HIS Choice of you.
(1 Thessalonians 1) Psalm 19.

I write in bold the name of the one speaking and then, :- to the words spoken by that one throughout this discourse.

Throughout this discourse these words shared were written in paragraphs of no more than 500 words because of the platform on which the communication was begun and continued.
But I write them here in the very same order as they were spoken by each one, but as they would be more plainly read and understood as each one spoke in turn, rather than as they were at the time, portioned into paragraphs of 500 words or less.
Though no word in meaning has been omitted, added nor changed.
All is as was spoken over a period of around three weeks or so.

At the end I will answer his final words which he left the conversation with, without possibility of my replying to him on it, but shall reply to his final word at the end here.

And I will also show exactly what was being spoken at the time when the group mentioned, Elijah's Prayer, was suddenly disabled mid-conversation, and not as is maintained here by him at the beginning of this discourse.

As the wisdom Of GOD Says,
The first to plead his case seems just, until another comes along and examines him.
Proverbs 18:17.
As in water face reflects face, so the heart of man reflects man. Proverbs 27:19.

Our words reveal our character. Matthew 12:33-37. And for any to deny this is to call GOD a liar.

If anyone stands on The Word Of GOD in truth then they will not be shaken and have nothing whatsoever to fear, because;

There is no wisdom and no understanding and no counsel against The LORD.
The horse is prepared for the day of battle, but victory belongs to The LORD.
Proverbs 21:30-31.

Pride goes before destruction and a haughty spirit before stumbling.
It is better to be of a humble spirit with the lowly, than to divide the spoil with the proud.
He who gives attention to The Word shall find good, and Blessed is he who trusts in The LORD.
Proverbs 16:18-20

He who keeps The Commandment keeps (guards, protects, attends to) his soul, but he who is careless of his ways will die.
Proverbs 19:16.

The conversation started when I received this:

Leslie:- Paul, may I ask why you saw fit to smear God's name among atheists.
It would have been a simple matter to contact me personally rather than to publicize.
They do not know the context of what happened years ago.

Brother, people do change and mature.

Please know that I do not hold it against you what happened about four years ago.
I hope you can look past it and am very sorry you have carried it with you all this time.

I posted this in the club forum:
Paul, you are alone on this.
The admins collectively and prayerfully agreed that the right decisions were made.

I do not hold this against you and am very sorry you have carried this with you for about four years.
The club became very inactive after you had sewed considerable and unnecessary discord.
That you are spitefully publicizing personal matters without context reflects a lack of maturity.
I am very approachable and would gladly talk privately with you.
As I recall, the main fuss was about your legalistic view that Christians should not utilize apologetics.

Also, for some time, you were not active and the admins were overwhelmed with great redundance in posts, forums and active members between clubs.
The decisions we made were not done out of maliciousness of heart toward you but you could not be reasoned with and it simply needed to be done.
Romans 14.
Sorry, but the chat only allows a certain length.

Paul:- Leslie, your recollection of what happened is not correct.
You are still maintaining that I was the one in error.
But I was the one standing on The Word Of GOD.
You were not.
And the opportunity on that forum was an opportunity to point out to you your blindness in your words.
I stand on The Word Of GOD.
If you care to do the same we may talk as we are called to.
I have not smeared GOD'S Name, as you say.
You did not, back then, even ask why I was inactive for three months, but just took offence to your being shown by me, from Scripture, that what was being openly shared was not according to Scripture.

Leslie, how you, Bob and Joe argued from yourselves was contrary to GOD.
Now I ask you to humble yourself, as you ought, and align all with GOD'S Word.

Leslie:- Romans 14.

Paul:- Romans 14 does not justify you in either your words or the attitude of your heart, Leslie.
The Kingdom Of GOD is Righteousness and peace and joy in The HOLY SPIRIT.
For he who in this way serves CHRIST is acceptable to GOD and approved by men.
You are in need of repentance.

Leslie:- Sorry to have hurt you brother. It was not our intent.
I hate strife and the disunity was unnecessary.
My apologies for not connecting with you about closing the club.
We had gone through club closures since then and have even combined clubs to facilitate effective ministries within the Body.
These were properly advertised and members informed in a public forum.
We have learned a great deal since that experience.
I honestly don't recall all the reasons for closing Elijah's Prayer.

Paul:- There is a lot I will write here, please bear with it.
It's no good our quoting Scripture when our own words and deeds are not in accordance with Scripture.
It shows one who is unknowing, one who does not understand, one in whose living The Word Of GOD is not performing Its work in them, but they, according to GOD, are liars and hypocrites.
The Word Of GOD is shown to perform Its work only in those who believe in It, understand It, live by It, and is shown by their own words and deeds; their obedience of faith; upholding The Word and not acting contrary to It.
Hebrews 5:12-14.
As Paul wrote to the faithful, and to the faithful only even today, 1 Thessalonians 2:13-14.
Leslie, back then, you said to me of my attempting to show of all that was being said, and my showing it in The Light of GOD'S Word, and these were your exact words,
"...we're not talking about a
Godly rebuke here but a smothering persistent loveless legalistic fault finding that unnecessarily divides. Lets just say you rub people the wrong way... essentially you lack tactfulness, understanding and the ability to put yourself in another's shoes.. you come across as extremely self-righteous. Such a reputation is not healthy for ministry."

But this was purely how you yourself saw it. It isn't according to Christian conduct.
If you care to look at what I posted around the time these things happened, you will be able to see my words to you, and your's, Bob's and Joe's words to me also.

As I say on the postings I wrote as I did that all may be seen and it is written so other Christians may see.
Matthew 18:15-18.

As well I also still have some of yours and Bob's words to me which were shared on notes in the group at that time.

These too I wrote as examples in a forum on the group I started after Bob disabled the previous group, which I had started to honour, share and glorify GOD, and which you, sadly here, have openly justified yourselves in the doing of.

Do you remember that because you refused to listen to what I was attempting to show you, to correct you from The Word, (please see 2 Timothy 2:16-17, 1 Timothy 6:3-6, John 13:34-35), that I had to remove you from the group?
It was shortly after this that the group was disabled.
Please tell me Leslie, regarding your interpretation of my words and actions which I have reminded you of here, and bearing in mind what Scripture states in such matters, and with good reason, (please see 1 Corinthians 1:10, Mark 3:25, Luke 12:54-59), how then do you say one should and can react to disobedience and actions contrary to GOD'S Word and Instruction to us, towards one lacking humility and refusing correction, but who instead continues to speak regardless of what is being shown him from The Word Of GOD?

Because, as I have shown you, you accused as you yourself saw it, which does not make your accusation and the maliciousness in your words right according to The Word Of GOD, but only in your own eyes.
Unless you can show me what I have not yet read in GOD'S Word and which does not conflict with Instruction to reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction, which was what I was attempting to do with you all at the time.
Even when I was answering you from GOD'S Word and your replies were not from GOD'S Word, and neither Bob's, but from yourselves.

And we know what GOD'S Word says of such matters?
Wisdom says, Proverbs 1:22-33, 8:32-36. And, 10:12, yours is or was the hatred here. And see 12:1, and 26:4-5, 15:26, 21:2, 21:8, 26:12, 30:12.

These are Scriptures which I am here showing you, not out of any spite or malice, but because GOD'S Word is Truth and it applies to us all, without exception, just as we shall be Judged without Partiality.

And this is the problem in The Church today.
This is why there are factions, divisions, strife, outbursts of anger and false accusations, disorder and every evil thing between professing Christians today.

This is doing the will of the devil, (2 Timothy chapters 2 & 3).
And as yet, even if it is now possible for you, just as if so with Bob, and for any one of us; GOD does not show partiality and we are called not to do so either; GOD Knows the heart, for us to humble ourself, see and understand, repent and be Forgiven.

See what GOD Says, Malachi 3:13-18.
Look at all my words I write in all I post. And, if you can, if you are able, recognise my heart in them all.
And tell me, what are my prayers to GOD? What has happened with me on and since the day I first believed?
What has GOD Shown me?
What has GOD Said to me?
What is GOD'S Purpose for me in this life?

And in all I have written and shared here on chess.com, please, show me anywhere where I have written on The Word Of GOD and have spoken wrongly according to The Word Of GOD.
Do this, showing from The Word only; chapters and verses, and never from yourself.
Just as I always look to do so.

I still have the words that were written on notes at that time by you and Bob.
I was being "corrected" as you and Bob saw fit yourselves, and yet despite your words, being contrary to Scripture and The LORD'S Commandment, there was no correction spoken by either of you, one to the other.

This is an example of partiality, which we are called not to do.

If you believe I am lying in anything I say here I can show them to you.
And please recognise how the Apostle Paul corrected Peter, Galatians 2.
That is not showing partiality, but is speaking correctly according to GOD.

The reason I write as I do is that when, by GOD'S Grace, I can see error, I will point out from The Word Of GOD. And I do this that the one concerned may know repentance and The Ministry be not discredited, and they do not perish.
That they do not stand before The LORD and hear the words, "I Never Knew you, depart from ME, you who practices lawlessness."
Because very sadly, many shall.

And of course I am always ready for correction whenever I am in need of correction for that same reason.
But only when it is wholly in accordance with GOD'S Word, or else I will not hear.

We all must always be mindful, that if any speak rightly according to GOD'S Word, and we reject it, and then accuse and revile them, it is not the messenger that any are ultimately doing it to, but GOD.

It is not to be like the Pharisees.
They did the same, they rejected GOD'S Truth, rejected GOD'S MESSIAH, arrogantly believing in themselves, looking down on others and rather choosing to hold to their own ways and desiring the respect their titles brought to them.

But to all, GOD'S Word Says, he who hates reproof will die.

Leslie:- Ahh yes, so it was not I then that disabled the club.
Good, you have no need to be angry with me after all these years then.
I did rebuke you .. I admit that but I had witnesses as Matthew teaches us we should have.
Even in my rebuke, it was out of compassion because you lacked such love in your ministry.
So many have head knowledge but lack the main ingredient, love, which as you know covers a multitude of sins and sums up the law.
I was being truthful.. why do you think you were not convicted?

Paul:- Why I was not convicted?
Because I was speaking from The Word into what was being stated and happening and it was being refused, not from The Word, but from men speaking from themselves.

You cannot say I lacked love when you were not listening to The Word and I was the one attempting to speak from The Word Of GOD. Your words to me, which I gave example of you here, were full of judgement.
How is it you cannot see that?
Please read them again, and find anywhere I spoke to you in that same spirit.

The problem is, every professing Christian believes themselves to be a Christian when the truth is often different.
They walk and act as though they're a Christian but their words and deeds bear nothing of the testimony of a Christian according to Scripture and they're both blind to it and will refuse to be shown to be corrected when they believe, act, speak in any way that is contrary to JESUS CHRIST and the Apostles teaching.
Matthew 13:18-23.

(Then, 1 hour later after seeing it was notifying that he was still logged on but had not yet answered, I continued)

Paul:- As you have not yet replied, maybe you haven't yet seen I have replied to you, I will add to this, it is not the Christian themself who determines which seed they are.
I tell you again, you are in error.

If we participate with those who are in error according to The Word Of GOD we cannot then claim ourselves to be innocent, as you seem to have done so in your latest reply here.
You were with those speaking contrary to The Word and were indeed doing so yourself.
Yet here you claim your rebuke of me was according to Scripture and out of compassion.
Leslie it was not.
See Jude: 22, this you were not doing.
This compassion/mercy, according to GOD, means to have mercy on one afflicted, seeking aid.
It is by word or deed, and to us is to be as by Divine Grace (Colossians 4:6), as we are called to be as imitators of GOD as Beloved children (Ephesians 5:1-2).
Or, as 1 Peter 3:8, means suffering and feeling the same, and so being sympathetic.
Again, your words:
"...we're not talking about a Godly rebuke here but a smothering persistent loveless legalistic fault finding that unnecessarily divides. Lets just say you rub people the wrong way... essentially you lack tactfulness, understanding and the ability to put yourself in another's shoes.. you come across as extremely self-righteous. Such a reputation is not healthy for ministry."

This, Leslie, is not compassion.
It is judgement.
To be precise it is judgement according to the flesh.
Do you even read the Scriptures I include? Do you read my words to consider them? Because your answers seem to say you do not.
But rather you maintain justifying yourself regardless of the evidence or The Word Of GOD which for all, without exception, it applies.

Leslie:- Paul, I do not have the notes from back then from which to draw context.
It seems I lost my temper with you.
Do you recall how long we bantered back and forth before I finally lost my temper with you?
Do you notice how you write pages upon pages...
We used to jokingly call you InLoveWithYourself because you reminded us of the Pharisees that prayed long prayers.

Paul:- Psalm 5:8-9.
The more one refuses correction the worse the conversation becomes.
This is made so because of the one refusing correction, and not by the one attempting to show error, if and as long as the one attempting to show error stands on and in The Word; speaking according to The Word.
We can say the right thing but speak it wrongly, and if doing so, then they too are wrong.
But there comes a point where the one refusing correction shows himself to be a factious man, beyond any correction (Titus 3:10-11, 2 Peter 2:1, 1 Corinthians 11:19).

'A rebuke goes deeper into one who has understanding than a hundred blows into a fool.' Proverbs 17:10.
'There is a kind who is pure in his own eyes, yet is not washed from his filthiness.' Proverbs 30:12
(Psalm 36:1-4, Titus 1:15-16).

You Leslie do not acknowledge what I ask you, nor is it apparent in your replies that you hear what's been asked you.

Earlier here in this thread, speaking in your own defence of both your actions and accusations against me, which in and by your words you still maintain against me, and with this the self-justification of both yourself and your compatriots in the whole matter, you, Leslie, say,
"Even in my rebuke, it was out of compassion because you lacked such love in your ministry.
So many have head knowledge but lack the main ingredient, love, which as you know covers a multitude of sins and sums up the law. I was being truthful.."

But, Leslie, as I have already shown to you here, that your words spoken to me, which you claim were out of compassion, and yet were not out of compassion because none of them fall under the Scriptural definitions of compassion, but are, in truth, words of fleshly judgement; which is contrary to The Word and The Way.
I will show you how you do not understand Scripture; what is Spiritual and all by your own words (Matthew 12:33-37).

You claim your words to me were from compassion because I lacked love.
But this just makes no sense.
And it is only as you see and determine it to be.
What you fail to recognise, is love corrects, love disciplines; all according to The Word. This is what I was/am attempting to do with you.
Hear these: Psalm 141:5, Proverbs 9:7-10, 15:31, 19:20.

You, Leslie, then go on to say that
"many have head knowledge but lack the main ingredient, love."

But by your own words and ways you cannot see, you lack both.
This is again only an accusation from you, which you show no evidence of, but is formed from your own opinion and self-justification in your words and actions. And all because I would not, could not and cannot agree with any of you in the matter.

And the reason that I could not and cannot agree with you was and is because your words and actions contradict The Word Of GOD, which I love; and accordingly they refuse GOD, WHOM I love.

You, Leslie, then continue in your self-justification to say, as you say it, of this main ingredient, love,
"which as you know covers a multitude of sins and sums up the law. I was being truthful.."

Firstly, you, Leslie, were not being truthful.

You now, and with your compatriots then in the matter, were determined to speak and uphold what was contrary to Scripture and in a manner which was and is contrary to GOD.
According to Scripture this proves you a liar (Proverbs 30:5-6).
If you refuse this then you do not refuse me, but GOD, and are calling HIM a liar for the sake of your own choosing.

Secondly, it is absolutely clear to me and would be clear to all those who do indeed have eyes to see and ears to hear, that in your use of 1 Peter 4:8, of love covering a multitude of sins, and the context in which you use this, you do not understand what Peter writes and is saying, but you are distorting The Holy Scriptures to meet and fit your own ends and all in seeking your own justification.

1 Peter 4:7-11, in light of all Peter writes here, your own words and actions leave you self-condemned.
Remember it is you yourself who quoted v8 in your attempt to justify yourself.
But now to show you and rightly dividing The Word Of Truth:
Peter writes (v7) admonishing us to being of sound judgement and sound spirit (sentient element) for the purpose of prayer (GOD does not hear sinners, John 9:31).

Peter then writes,
'Above all, keep fervent in your love for one another, because love covers a multitude of sins.'(v8).
The context in how Peter writes the words you have stolen for your own purpose and in your own understanding is not in the context and meaning Peter here writes.
It is not the meaning you believe he writes. It is always to take all Scripture in the context it is written.

What Peter is saying here in V8 is that in agape for one another we are to regard and possess this earnestly, assiduously; because holding to such love it will hide sin, it will hinder sin.
Peter means we will do no wrong to one another, because of love (agape) which is the fulfillment of The Law (Romans 13:8-14, Luke 10:25-28).

But you, Leslie, in both words and deeds, along with your compatriots, did not and do not know to do this.
Yours was/is accusation in judgement, because I would not accept what you were preaching or how you were conducting yourselves in the matter.

None of you stood on The Word to make your point, but argued and accused from yourselves.
I stood on The Word to show your errors. This was and is because of love, Leslie.
It is not how you yourself will interpret it. Love does no wrong to a neighbour.

But you, along with your compatriots, decided yourselves to refuse what I was saying, and instead accuse and revile, upholding strife, disharmony, dissensions, factions and all being the antithesis of love, according to GOD.

You then took it upon yourselves to agree to disable a group which I myself had started, to glorify GOD and to share HIS Word in truth.
And even now you maintain your innocence along with my guilt in the matter.

Then to v9 of 1 Peter 4, to,
'Be hospitable to one another without complaint.'
Again, all of you live contrary to this and indeed towards any who will not agree with how you yourselves determine the interpretation of Scripture, even though you cannot make your claims from The Word alone and will often contradict The Word in your words and deeds.
And to this, you refuse to acknowledge V10 also.

Because in your living and arrogance, desiring and believing yourselves to be the oracle, you live refusing Gifts Given Of GOD, because other's words and understanding do not agree with your own.
You do not look to serve one another as Scripture instructs, but only yourselves and those who are like-minded.
In this you do not walk as good stewards of the Manifold Grace Of GOD.

Then finally, the words of v11 of 1 Peter 4, by which, and by your own words, you stand again being self-condemned.
Peter writes,
'Whoever speaks, as it were, the Utterances Of GOD...'
You, Leslie, do not speak The Word Of GOD, but you refuse it and show to distort it.

Peter continues,
'Whoever serves, as by the Strength which GOD Supplies...'
You, Leslie, do not know to do this; your own words show it and instead you strive in your own strength and wisdom; accusing and reviling those who do not agree with you, in this instance it is me, because I will stand on The Word alone, which you do not know, and I seek that GOD be Glorified Through JESUS CHRIST, to WHOM Belongs The Glory and Dominion forever and ever. Amen.

You seek your own glory, because you speak from yourself and it is your own words which show to condemn you (John 7:18).

I do not blindly accuse you as you do to me, because I show your words and I show them in Light of Scripture.
This you do not do and have never done so with me.
You do not know humility, you refuse to acknowledge Scripture which I show to you and which applies to us all.
In all of this you cannot see to know to seek repentance.

If you again refuse all I show here, maintaining division, knowing pride and arrogance instead of humility, and again decide to interpret my words as you have chosen to do before, instead of seeing them as they are, a rebuke in love because I do not want you to perish, then according to Scripture, you shall perish.
Hearing the words from The LORD,
"I never Knew you; depart from ME, you who practice lawlessness."

You cannot, as you have done, accuse me of not having the love of GOD in me when you personally do not know me (John 14:15) and you have made this judgement (James 4:11-12) because I attempt to correct you, and according to Scripture (2 Timothy 3:16-17).

With this, you cannot see that your own words bear nothing whatsoever of agape. We do not claim agape, it is borne out in our words and deeds.

The SPIRIT HIMSELF Bears Witness with our spirit that we are children Of GOD, Romans 8:16.
Before you again refuse to hear, refuse to examine carefully all that I say in my standing on The Word, to merely continue to accuse and mock, you must first bear witness to the wrong you claim I am in. Just as I am doing here with you.

Do this rather than accusing a Christian of wrongdoing because you do not understand and cannot answer from The Word.

Leslie, given your words; your interpretation, your lack of understanding and the attitude of your heart, all being shown by your own words, which have been shown both here and before to contradict The GOD Breathed Word penned by men Moved By The HOLY SPIRIT Spoke From GOD, I will tell you why you do not know conviction in your repudiating The Word, it is through being devoid of The SPIRIT.

Jude: 17-19.
The natural man does not accept the things of The SPIRIT Of GOD, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are Spiritually appraised.
But he who is Spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no man.
Perhaps GOD may Grant you repentance leading to the Knowledge Of The Truth. James 3:13-16, Proverbs 18:1-2.

But for this, just as with us all, you must first know to recognise your error in Light of GOD'S Truth (John 3:19-21, 2 Chronicles 7:14-16).
This requires humility.
GOD Gives The HOLY SPIRIT to those who obey HIM (Acts 5:32, 2 Corinthians 6:14 - 7:1).
The sacrifices Of GOD are a broken spirit; A broken and contrite heart, O GOD, THOU wilt not Despise (Psalm 51). Habakkuk 2:4.

Leslie:- Paul, you've approached me after five and a half years and kept notes from way back then.
It is not wrong to reconnect with someone... not at all.
But the way you approached it was wrong
Honestly, this is not normal behaviour.
I've been around mental illness much of my life and I have to ask if you struggle with it... not to disparage you but only  to understand why you cannot move on from this.
I am not against you.
We are all working out our salvation as Paul say

I know Bob... a man of God full of wisdom and truth who continues to bless me often.
By your fruits you will know them and there is much fruit in his life from prison ministry to at-risk youth ministry to home church and pastoral ministry.
Back then, we were of one mind on the matter.
Leaders have difficult decisions to make and for better and for worse, we must live with those decisions.
No one has kept you from starting another club ministry.

Please accept my sincere hope and prayers that you will have a thriving ministry here on this site.
The harvest is ripe and the fruit bountiful.

Paul:- Leslie, it is clear that you have not read what I have written to you and with the Scriptures included.
Your reply coming just minutes after my last paragraph.
You say I am wrong in how I approached, that does not make me wrong and you right.

It is again your own viewpoint.
As is your view on Bob.
What you fail to understand in your praising him is that a man Of GOD in truth shows no partiality.
A man Of GOD will know to preserve the Unity Of The SPIRIT in the bond of peace.
It is not how you and Bob conduct yourselves or justify yourselves.

What you do contradicts The Word; what I have attempted to do is show error on the hope of repentance and reconciliation.
But because of your heart it is clear this will not happen.
You now even accuse me of mental illness, which I do not suffer from.
Because you see my writing to you as I do as not normal.

But I see your behaviour as a professing Christian as not right and proper, because you conflict with The Word Of GOD.
You speak of your anger and how long we bantered back and forth before losing your temper as though you were justified in it. But, it is against Scripture to do so; Proverbs 22:8.

You spoke and speak from yourself, I speak from The Word Of GOD, just as we ought to do.

Leslie:- No, spiritual fruit is not opinion... opinions are not measurable, where spiritual fruit is.
I do not know you enough to know if you have any spiritual fruit.

I skim everything you write and as it is more of the same redundancy, it is enough already.
Please forgive me for losing my temper... it was most definitely wrong to do that.
Nowadays I am much more longsuffering.

Paul:- It is The Word Of GOD written for example and explained, yet you choose to call what I write more of the same redundancy.
Again, it shows both your heart and lack of Spiritual discernment.
And you say you do not know me enough to know if I have Spiritual fruit, yet you refuse to read what I write, which corrects you.

And you have made judgements against me.
My words show my heart, Leslie.
My words show my understanding.
If you are more long-suffering as you claim, then show it rather than saying.

Leslie:- You handling of the Word is very good.. it demonstrates how much you love the Lord.
That you love his Word as much as you do is wonderful.
But I cannot know fruit in your life beyond that because that has more to do with wisdom and application of the Word in real life and the lives of others leading to a change of heart.

It is much easier to write words than as living as the light of Jesus and to unconditionally love others as he did.

Paul:- Ok Leslie, but you say and say one thing but then say another.

I'll show what I mean.
And yes, you are quite right in saying of our not knowing of fruit in people's lives other than knowing them personally, face to face, or by good report by others who are known not to show and show no partiality according to The Word.

But, a man is either justified or condemned by his words (Matthew 12:33-37), and the words of a man do indeed show his heart, whether good or bad, whether he truly knows love in the true meaning of agape.

Please read carefully, it is important; it is towards your Salvation.
Unless it is that you cannot see.

To judge, as in James 4:11 which we are instructed not to do means not to decide mentally or judicially; by implication to try, condemn, punish, avenge, conclude, decree, determine, to call into question.
As The LORD JESUS HIMSELF tells us in Matthew 7:1-5 and as Paul writes, he who judges another condemns himself: Romans 1:28 - 2:16.

Romans 14:10-12. Yet you, here, judged and continue to judge me, even though you admit that you do not properly read my words which I write to you, by which I show you your error according to GOD, yet you call 'more of the same redundancy.'

It was the same over 5 years ago.
I stood on The Word, both you and Bob did not.
You argued from yourselves, refused The Word, judged and accused me.
This the Pharisees did to The LORD and to HIS Apostles, yet you accuse me of being as a Pharisee when it is you who sits in that very seat pointing the finger in accusation.

How is it you cannot see, or refuse to see? How can you stand before The LORD?
Apart from repentance you cannot.
At the time, both you and Bob accused me, used words full of judgement in accusation against me, when I was one standing on The Word, and yet neither one of you once corrected the other, because you couldn't see to recognise what you were doing.

And this is partiality, which we are Called not to show, 1 Timothy 5:20-21, James 3:13-18. Proverbs 24:23-26.

There's no partiality with GOD. Colossians 3:23-25.
Righteous judgement you do not know: it is according to The Word.
It means being just, being equitable in character or act, objectively or subjectively for or against according to The Word Of GOD only; showing no partiality.
Proverbs 17:15, Deuteronomy 1:16-18.

The Word Of GOD is clear, and if being Led By The SPIRIT you would have known conviction.
I feel conviction, correction even when I think as I should not, and I am thankful to GOD for it. I am not lying.

The things you say of Bob speak nothing to me, because he shows me and has shown others here on this site a different side.
He can be a contentious, prideful man full of judgement and accusation against those who will not agree with him; and this is contrary to CHRIST.

He and you shall be Judged without partiality if not knowing Godly repentance, just as any one of us shall if we wilfully sin, regard as unclean The Blood Of The Covenant and insult The SPIRIT Of Grace.

What is done by you is unknowing of agape. It is showing one thing to one and another side to others. It's called hypocrisy.

A Christian in truth, as Of CHRIST, shall look to be the same to all. Romans 12:9-21.

As I say, please read carefully, unless you are fearful to?
I tell you the truth, it is yours and Bob's acts which are of the Pharisees' hypocrisy, Matthew 23:25-39, and you are in need of repentance or you shall perish.
This is why I write to you.

If you read properly what I write and the Scriptures I include to show, and you will humble yourself before The LORD, then you might see.
You should do this, instead of wrongfully accusing and mocking and acting contrary to how we are Called, Luke 12:1-10.

A Christian, when he sees a brother in any trespass, will attempt to show him his error and from The Word.
If there is disagreement then one will listen to the other and both speaking from The Word, in humility, because they know to be humble and through the love of GOD will desire that GOD Alone be found true and to be right before HIM.
I attempt to do this with you, but you refuse to read properly but even so are still quick with insults, accusations and judgements upon me.

It shows the heart for who the man truly is, even though he himself professes to be a Christian.
He does not know GOD; yet to know GOD Is Eternal Life. John 17:3

It is not confessing JESUS CHRIST before men as means according to The LORD HIMSELF.
This means to say the same things, to agree, not to deny. Assent to all HE Says, that is, acknowledge.
Because it is The LORD Alone WHO Is Able to keep us from falling and to present us faultless with great joy, Jude: 20-25.

Yet HE cannot, when we refuse to be subject to HIM in all our living and to allow HIM to rule in our hearts, that HE may Cleanse it.
"Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see GOD."
With the heart man believes towards Righteousness and with the mouth is confession towards Salvation.

Not knowing a brother face to face, or knowing of a brother is no reason to reject, accuse, judge worse than an unbeliever, because of it.
For you, all my words here, the understanding I have by The Grace Of GOD should speak enough.
I test words with my ear as the palate tastes food. And so should we all.
In this, many are found wanting in their conduct and understanding.

It is impossible for all professing Christians on a site such as this that they are known, other than by their words and conduct towards all others on the site.
But I am rejected by many because I will show them their error in understanding and what is seen, and many do not like it and shall accordingly reject it, as I have explained here.

This Leslie, is what shows the heart of a man.
And as I have always said, I am open to correction if I am wrong or mistaken, but only ever from The Word Of GOD, as is only right and proper between any professing The Name, and always knowing humility.

Leslie:- Paul, do you actively attend a church?
May I ask how others relate to you?
Are you married?
Do you have kids?
Do you have in real life friends?
How do they relate to you?

Paul,I am willing to submit to your grievance and move on from here.
Dwell on it no further.
For my part, please forgive me.
I can see I caused you much anxiety.
I skimmed through the old notes and can honestly say that while the conclusion remains the same, I needn't have lost my temper.

It would have been better to simply have moved on.
Can you move on?
Is it in you to move on Paul?

Please begrudge no further.
First John 4:18 says that "perfect love drives out fear".
The dismissal of the fear of condemnation is one of the main functions of God's love.

The person without Christ is under judgement and has plenty to fear (John 3:18), but once a person is in Christ, the fear of judgement is gone.

Part of understanding the love of God is knowing that God's judgement fell on Jesus at the cross so we can be spared.

Jesus described Himself as the Savior: "God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him" (John 3:17).
The very next verse reminds us that the only person who must fear judgement is the one who rejects Jesus Christ.

The Bible says that nothing can separate the believer from the love of God in Christ (Romans 8:38-39).
God's love does not wax and wane... it is not fickle, emotional sensation.
God's love for sinners is why Christ died on the cross.
God's love for those who trust in Christ is why He holds them in His hand and promises never to let them go (John 10:29).

So let us move on from this Paul and learn from our supreme commander, to love more perfectly.
It is an ongoing process but one filled with incredible joy that I must continually praise the unmerited grace shown me by my Heavenly Father.

Paul:- Ok Leslie, as you have written much, and have asked much, and it is always my intention to answer clearly and without ambiguity, this will take me a little while.
So, The LORD Willing I will answer all of your questions and points very soon.
But yes, I am of course open to moving on, but always, always in accordance with Godly repentance and what this means and brings.

Leslie:- Praise The LORD... it is wonderful to reconcile :)

Paul:- I've written reply, but please be patient as there is a lot for me to post here.

In all our living in The Name of Christian we have to decide who it is we follow and serve, who we look to please?
Is it GOD, or is it men?
Do we look to be popular among people and in it weak and refusing to speak GOD'S Word into every matter so GOD'S Truth be heard, for fear of upsetting others and being unpopular, or do we, as men Of GOD, consider ourselves as sheep to be slaughtered, our lives being for JESUS?

Leslie, you ask do I attend a church. The answer is no.
At the moment I do not and the reason is that The LORD put it on my heart to leave the church I was attending and although at the time I didn't understand why, I was obedient.
Even though a few weeks later I did try going back because I missed fellowship as I understood it then.
But on doing so I knew with all certainty I should not have.
It was not GOD'S Will for me.

Those there didn't understand or accept what I told them and soon I saw less and less of them.
As I tried to explain what The LORD was showing me, and attempting to use Scripture to explain, the pastor said to me,
"I don't think this is the church for you."

In this he was more concerned that I did not share with any there what I was seeing in Scripture compared to what I was seeing practiced in the church today.
He was and is still more concerned with his position and authority as he himself sees it rather than The Word Of GOD and The Church according to The New Testament, as are many today.

There is more I can say on the matter but as you appreciate, the space to write here is very limited.
So in this you can accept what I am saying or choose to believe I am lying to you.
But I point out, first look at all my writing here in nearly 8 years and that I always look to stand on The Word and accept no interpretation which contradicts Scripture elsewhere.

You ask me how others relate to me?
For the most I find Christians hate being shown error, even though this is contrary to The Word and shows nothing of humility.

Many still, and according to the flesh, will argue from themselves.
And when they have no answer from Scripture they will, among other things, accuse of arrogance and reject.
But it's they who are choosing not to see that GOD Alone be found true in all we accept as a Christian.

I've known few, and sadly it's very few with whom I have known joy, peace, in sharing of understanding.
This tells and shows me much; and all according to Scripture, apostasy and the last times.
For many, faith today is not the same as the faith of the Apostles Of our LORD JESUS CHRIST we read of and from in Scripture.
It is a mere social Christianity with differing opinions accepted, being far from what Saves: which is, Sanctification By The SPIRIT and faith in The Truth. Matthew 22:1-14.

You ask me, am I married and do I have kids?
I was married very young and divorced many years before the day I first believed. And the eldest of my children is 35.
I am the only born again Christian in my entire family.
You can see a little of my life, what I was, as I have shared on my profile since I first joined chess com.

You ask, do I have in real life friends?
How do they relate to you?

Firstly Leslie, this is real life.
What you say to me and what I say to you as with all here, it shows something of who we really are, our heart, and certainly we shall all give account one day to GOD, even for every careless word spoken; as is contained in Scripture.

Now, I have very few friends.
My friends before were friends I'd go to football matches with, get drunk with, get high with, etc and I did try staying in contact with some after the day I first believed.
But as Scripture says, Bad company corrupts good morals.
This is no slight on them, but as you should know, if you keep with those who do not know The LORD, it cannot work well: 2 Corinthians 6:14 - 7:1.

Socialising with unbelievers cannot work. This I know from experience and because being with them I would stumble in the flesh and also they couldn't understand the change in who I was.
One even commented that he preferred me as I was before.
So I metaphorically cut off my feet: Mark 9:43-50.

As for Christian friends, see my previous answer to you here to understand that I am a Christian knowing much solitude.
And understand with it, if you are able, that through this I am learning much more than I could do without it.
And know to remember, my faith is in GOD.
I can't see my future.
GOD Knows and has done even before I was born.

Contrary to you here, among other things questioning my mental health, which I again state is well, I will add that in my life since the day I first believed I grow evermore aware the enemy hates me and constantly trying to attack. Either personally or through others with lies and accusations, often professing Christians who ought to know better.
Apart from repentance, it shall prove to be to their detriment. Romans 2:11. Psalm 119:137-144.

Now I have answered your questions, and I would have appreciated it if you had answered the questions I asked you throughout this discourse, but have chosen not to for whatever reasons; GOD Knows, I will now answer you in your words to me in all you state here in your latest reply and also your use of and in it your understanding of Scripture, according to what you yourself have written and stated in light of what is being discussed.

You Leslie say that you are willing to submit to my grievance and move on, but in saying this you don't understand my grievance.

What, to you, do 1 Corinthians 1:10 & Ephesians 4:1-17 state in relation to understanding The Word Of GOD?
Do you believe that Christians can hold to differing interpretations of Scripture and with this maintain unity according to GOD? And do you believe that to do so is acceptable before GOD?

Because while you say that you shouldn't have lost your temper, you state your conclusion is the same.
But it is not what you conclude, it's not what I conclude, nor any man, but what GOD'S Word States according to HIM, which cannot then possibly hold a contradiction.

Or do we hold to that GOD contradicts HIMSELF and in doing so call HIM a liar? Proverbs 30:11-14.
If you believe I'm wrong according to Scripture, then show it from Scripture as I look to do.
If not then who should listen to you or to anyone who declares an understanding of Scripture and of Godly matters but then cannot show it from The Word alone?
And for any to believe that we may do so shows a heart before GOD which is not after GOD'S Own Heart, but just the arrogance within it.
If you object to these statements please say so and I will show you Scripture that corrects us.

You say, Leslie, that it would have been better to have moved on, and I agree.

But to do so according to GOD would have meant both sides coming to agreement that GOD Is True which means to have agreed on the disagreements according to Scripture.

You ask me if I can move on, and of course I can; but according to GOD; according to Righteousness and Holiness of The Truth as is right and proper among the Saints.1 Corinthians 14:33.
I cannot just move on agreeing to disagree. It's not GOD'S Will for us, as the Apostles are clear.
If you don't agree to this and so cannot agree with The Word, then it's not I who cannot move on with how is acceptable to GOD; and in this it's not I who remains being led by the flesh and not The SPIRIT Of GOD. Galatians 5:13-21.

Where you say,
"I skimmed through the old notes and can honestly say that while the conclusion remains the same, I needn't have lost my temper. It would have been better to simply have moved on...",

how is it you cannot see how flippant you are being towards what is important to GOD?

I'm attempting to show you your errors so that before GOD, through a contrite heart, you may see, know repentance.
But you skim through, not troubled in the slightest you may be in error.
This speaks much.
To claim you can honestly say you're of the same mind in your belief, though you cannot show it from The Word, but 'honestly say' only you needn't have lost your temper, and 'it would have been better to simply have moved on', says that you do not know the fear of The LORD.

You, as with us all, will be held accountable by HIM for all you say and do and shall reap as you have sown, and yet you do not know to examine what you are actually doing or saying in HIS Name.
And the one trying to show you, you seem to be annoyed by and saying, it is enough already.

I need not ask you the questions you have here asked me to determine your heart and sentient element (your spirit) by which you are motivated to do and speak as you will.

I listen to words and examine all according to The Word. Proverbs 27:19.

What do you believe is pleasing to GOD, a man with the faith of Caleb who fully followed The LORD his GOD, or a man who boasts of his faith, works, etc and yet pridefully, openly, even blindly, will reject correction according to The Word to maintaining strife, dissension and disunity, believing it is acceptable to just forget and move on unresolved?

Do you believe such a one shall inherit The Promise?
GOD Says he will not.
In matters pertaining to GOD it is never what we ourselves say and believe.
It never has been, it never shall be.
But it's what GOD Says, in HIS Word and Through HIS SPIRIT; and we learn by HIM, Through HIM in our living to HIM.

Our spirit is not to be led by the flesh, but by The SPIRIT Of GOD, that we may know to do the things that are pleasing in HIS Sight.
We are hopeless and helpless without HIM. This has always been and shall always be. Galatians 5:5.

Faith is evident in the actions people take, the choices they will make, the words they speak into each and every situation and circumstance.
These things are the outward showing of GOD'S Gracious Work in the heart, or not.

And also, that when a mistake has been made according to The Word Of GOD, what then are the actions, choices and words of the one who has either spoken or acted contrary to The Word, contrary to JESUS CHRIST?
We are GOD'S Workmanship.
Does it weigh heavy on them?
Does it frustrate and cause to speak as Paul, "Wretched man that I am!", showing they truly concur with The Law Of GOD in their inner man? Romans 7:14-25.

And this being to the point of Godly repentance leading to Salvation, whereby they will then prove themselves innocent in the matter they were guilty of before; having earnestness the Godly sorrow produces to the vindication of themselves; indignation, fear of sinning again, longing not to, a zeal not to and so avenging the wrong in demonstrating themselves now innocent in that matter; innocent of that sin they were once doing, which would have resulted in death for them.

It means they do it no more; their overcoming of sin.
Revelation 3:14-22.
As Paul says in another place and is true of us all in our walk; if we, while seeking to be Justified In CHRIST are found sinning, is CHRIST then a minister of sin? May it never be! If we rebuild what we have destroyed (sin) we prove ourselves transgressors.

To be crucified with CHRIST means dying to sin, and not having an attitude of not particularly bothered and uncaring, even unknowing of; blind to our sinning and continuing in it, and therefore nullifying The Grace Of GOD, Galatians 2:11-21.
Romans 6.

And as Paul warns in 2 Corinthians 6, of his working together with GOD urging us not to receive The Grace Of GOD in vain.
The attitude of your heart here, shown in your words, does not know this, but is presumptuous.
You may deny it, but I can see it; not only in your words but you show it in your use of Scripture and therefore understanding of It, which you quote and use.
Leslie, only GOD Is Just and The Justifier Of the one who has faith in JESUS, and faith is a conviction of The Truth Of GOD and implicit trust in JESUS CHRIST: The Way and The Truth and The Life.

It is shown in our words and deeds and in humility, being of those who tremble at GOD'S Word, not sniffing at It as though it doesn't really matter, and believing, being convinced of what we do and offer in The Name Of GOD is acceptable anyway.
Isaiah 66:1-5, Malachi 3:13 - 4:6.

Leslie, I do not begrudge, as you see it and say.
I speak on GOD'S behalf and in the hope you see your error towards repentance and do not perish.
I believe as you are now that you are of those who think they cannot forfeit Salvation.
Not understanding that according to Scripture we now walk towards our Redemption.

You quote 1 John 4:18, perfect love casts out fear, saying,
"The dismissal of the fear of condemnation is one of the main functions of God's love...",
but I believe you don't understand correctly.

Leslie, there are those who have no fear through their own ignorance.
They walk as professing Christians believing they have CHRIST, but do not. Those The LORD Speaks of, written in Matthew 7:22-23 are of those.
Look at what they say, calling HIM LORD, and yet how HE Replies to them.

To understand the context of what The LORD is saying you have to read from Matthew 5:1 to 7:27.
And the same written in Luke 6:20-49, where HE Says in v46, "And why do you call ME, 'LORD, LORD,' and do not do what I Say?

The truth is, perfect love casts out fear means and is love made Complete in the believer, meaning the one who is Perfected in love is the one who walks in this world as HE Is (1 John 4:17) and in this one only is there no fear or cause to fear Judgement.
Verse 17 says it clearly.

We serve GOD without fear when we walk before HIM in Holiness and Righteousness all the days of our lives.
The Oath which GOD Swore to Abraham (Luke 1:73-75), and it is those truly of The faith who are sons of Abraham; those who are of faith (Galatians 3:5-9).

We are not of faith when we argue, maintain division, strife, factions; do not look to preserve the Unity of The SPIRIT in the bond of Peace; practicing the deeds of the flesh (Galatians 5:19-26), not knowing our taking up our cross daily, meaning our dying to sin; because we are not being led by The SPIRIT and walk according to the flesh.

We are not to refuse HIM WHO Is Speaking. Those who truly hear will not be shaken; who offer to GOD an acceptable service with reverence and awe (Hebrews 12:25-29).

You are quite right when you say,
"The person without Christ is under judgement and has plenty to fear."

But what you do not understand Leslie is what means to have CHRIST and how this is borne out in the life of the one who truly abides in HIM and HE In them.

Such a one always looks to uphold The Word Of GOD; as of CHRIST, look to walk in the same manner as HE Walked (1 John 2:1-7), to love as HE loved (John 13:34-35). The one who does not have The SPIRIT Of CHRIST does not belong to HIM (Romans 8:5-14).

The one who abides in CHRIST and HE In him bears much fruit (John 15:1-6); Good fruit.
This one cannot produce bad fruit (Matthew 7:17-20).
You then insert John 3:18 but your words to me here throughout this discourse and five years ago are in ignorance to John 3:20-21.

You did not and have not brought to The Light what you admit even now you still uphold, or as you word it, your conclusion remains the same.
But The LORD Says, "He who practices The Truth comes to The Light, that his deeds may be Manifested as having been Wrought In GOD."

Yet you have not, and still maintain you are right.
Whereas I came to The Light Of GOD'S Word to show that what you stand on and argue for is not of GOD.
If you believe my understanding is wrong come to The Light rather than declare from the darkness.

You then say, Leslie,
"Part of understanding the love of God is knowing that God's judgement fell on Jesus at the cross so we can be spared."

In this you miss completely what the Apostle John is stating in 1 John 4.
John is stating nothing of what you believe but is speaking in relation to the believer; as he is in 1 John 4:7-8.
This is in relation to the love of GOD being in the believer.
The one who does not love does not know GOD, for GOD Is Love.
This love is benevolence; the desire to do good to all, even our enemies.
This is love explained in 1 Corinthians 13:4-7.
You, as yet, show not to know to do this.
By your own words you show not to know it.

As Paul instructs with good reason: Brethren, rejoice, be comforted, be like-minded, live in peace; and The GOD Of Love And Peace shall be With you. 2 Corinthians 13:11.

If we are not as Paul instructs here, if we are not of The Teaching, then we do not have GOD:
Watch yourselves, that you might not lose what we have accomplished, but that you may Receive a full Reward.
Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in The Teaching Of CHRIST, does not have GOD; the one who abides in The Teaching, he has both The FATHER And The SON. 2 John: 8-9.

And what you say, Leslie, of,
"...the only person who must fear judgement is the one who rejects Jesus Christ,"
and inserting John 3:17, you do not seem to grasp what means to be living rejecting JESUS CHRIST.
You do not see that anything you do and say is rejecting HIM even when it is.
The problem is, every professing Christian believes themselves to be a Christian when the truth is often different.

They walk and act as though they're a Christian, stating they are followers of CHRIST, but their words and their deeds bear nothing of the testimony of a Christian according to Scripture and they're blind to it and will refuse to be shown to be corrected when what they believe, act, or speak in any way is contrary to JESUS CHRIST and the Apostles teaching.

Matthew 13:18-23.
Of all who profess to be Christian, which ground on which the seed (The Word) is sown, would they themselves determine themselves to be?
Many, though according to GOD and HIS Word they are not, would lay claim to being the good soil, the one who hears The Word and understands it; who indeed bears fruit. And many believe that they cannot forfeit Salvation, though The Word no where states this.

It is why it is written,
Take care, Brethren, lest there should be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart, in falling away from The Living GOD.
But encourage one another day after day, as long as it is called, "Today," lest any one of you be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. For we have become partakers of CHRIST, if we hold fast the beginning of our assurance firm until the end... Hebrews 3:12-14.
'If' is a small but most determining word.

We are partakers of CHRIST only if we hold fast the beginning, and what we have had from the beginning is The Word (1 John 2:7-11).
Faith comes from hearing and hearing by The Word Of CHRIST. Romans 10:17.
If we refuse, deny The Word, rather choosing what we ourselves will believe and accept, then according to Scripture we are factious, perverted and sinning, self-condemned. Titus 3:10-11.
This one will not fear Judgement because in their own eyes, in their own understanding, they do not reject JESUS CHRIST.

You then say, Leslie,
"The Bible says that nothing can separate the believer from the love of God in Christ" and insert Romans 8:38-39.

This, I know from experience is a passage depended upon by those who believe that they will not, cannot, lose Salvation.
But they believe this because they misunderstand, not looking to align this belief with all Scripture.

In these verses, the one thing not listed is sin. Because sin does separate.

The other thing they don't truly comprehend is what means, according to GOD, their abiding in the love Of GOD, which is In CHRIST JESUS.
You, Leslie, I believe are one of these, because of your words and actions, what you believe is acceptable practice for Christians, because of what you add,

"God's love does not wax and wane... it is not a fickle, emotional sensation..."

Here you have aligned the love of GOD, which is In CHRIST JESUS in v39 to be in relation to GOD'S Love being for us, for example, you believing that it is in you, even though you speak and act not according to love.

Of course, GOD HIMSELF does not do what you write here. That is impossible.
GOD does not change.

But it is those who profess to be Christian where the love of GOD is proven not to be in them by their words and deeds who are fickle, etc.

I think you get mixed up with GOD'S Love and the love of GOD being in the believer.

You believe you have the love of GOD in yourself.
You believe this of yourself, and Bob, yet you are blind to when you speak and act how love will just not speak and act.

Whoever we face, whatever situation or circumstance we may find ourselves in, be that tribulation or distress or persecution or famine or nakedness or peril or sword none of these things shall separate us from the love Of GOD, because in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer through HIM WHO loved us:
this means we ourselves, because of CHRIST In us, The Hope of Glory, shall ourselves not act contrary to love.

As John writes, 1 John 3.
We live to purify ourselves just as HE Is Pure.
It is a process (2 Corinthians 4:16-18), and as John writes in 1 John 3:5-10,
No one who is born Of GOD practices sin, because HIS Seed Abides in him; and he cannot sin.
This one, when they do sin along the way as we all shall do, because it is a process, shall not refuse repentance; because they truly are Saved according to GOD'S Mercy By The Washing Of Regeneration And Renewing By The HOLY SPIRIT, WHOM HE Poured Out Upon us Richly Through JESUS CHRIST our SAVIOUR (Titus 3:1-10).

This one dies to sin, does not remain in sin according to The Gospel, for It Is The Power Of GOD for Salvation to everyone who believes.
For in It The Righteousness Of GOD is Revealed from our living by faith and towards faith, as It Is Written,
"But the Righteous shall live by faith (Romans 1:16-17).
Fulfillment of Prophecy; Jeremiah 31:33-34 & 32:38-41.

Whoever professes to be Christian and their living bears witness to this Work of GOD in them, who learn not to strive, fight and argue according to the flesh, then this one is the one walking The Narrow Path; this one holds to The Testimony Of JESUS; for The Testimony Of JESUS is The Spirit of Prophecy.
Revelation 19:10, 1 John 5:9-13.

Having The Witness means bearing The Testimony Of JESUS in oneself.
He who does not believe this does not believe GOD and has made HIM a liar, because he has not believed in The Witness that GOD Has Borne concerning HIS SON.

If you, Leslie, will accept The Truth Of GOD, then we may indeed move on from this.
But if you will deny The Word for your own choosing then we remain adversaries, because you deny THE LORD GOD.

If doing so, know that apart from repentance you shall be Judged.
For not the hearers of The Law are Justified before GOD, but the doers of The Law will be Justified.
Romans 2:11-13, 3:31, 13:8-14.

Please, humbly, prayerfully read and consider all I have written to you, along with the Scriptures I have included.

Leslie:- Paul, you very much complicate the faith once for all delivered to the saints.
I honestly am much too busy with a near full-time ministry and a full-time job.

You seem to need some psychological assurance from me to agree with all you've said and I cannot give you complete assurance.

No one has complete discernment of the Word and so even though one of us, probably both of us are in error here and there, it will not disqualify us from the prize.
God has saved those that even know not his word.

Paul:- No Leslie, I do not complicate The faith.
You do not consider that you cannot hear?

And no man Of GOD, no man Of GOD will ever say they are too busy with a near full-time ministry ect when it is matters pertaining to GOD.

You must understand GOD comes first?

And if we speak HIS Word, claim to speak HIS Word in Truth, then we shall indeed have the time to speak clearly.
Do you not consider that what you name a near full-time ministry is something you do not according to GOD, because if Of GOD you would have the time; because GOD would make it so.

And also, I have shown you something you believe is acceptable is not so according to GOD, and I have shown from The Word alone.
If I could not I would not have.
I most certainly do not require any psychological assurance from you to agree with me.

Why do you insist on calling me a liar when of the two of us I am the one who answers from The Word Of GOD and I have made clear my purpose and patience in writing to you?

Pure and simple; Those Of GOD hear The Words Of GOD and will all agree and determine there be no divisions, but to be made Complete in the same mind and in the same judgement. 1 Corinthians 1:10.

If I am in the wrong it is not for any man to merely surmise that it is so, but to show it; from The Word alone, that GOD be found true.

And contrary to your belief that living contrary to The Word and refusing to understand in accordance with The Word, being too busy to do so, will not disqualify from The Prize is to refuse again The GOD Breathed Word.
"Sanctify them in The Truth; THY Word Is Truth." John 17:17.
Again you are greatly mistaken.

If one is Saved, and then soon after departs this world, having lived his short time by faith in JESUS CHRIST, then he is indeed Saved.

But if one has been a Christian a long time and has not grown to a maturity in The Word Of Righteousness, he is a wicked, lazy slave, according to GOD.
See The Teachings Of The LORD JESUS: Matthew 20:1-16, The Parable of the Vineyard, and Matthew 25:1-30, The Parable of the Ten Virgins and of The Talents.
Then go to Hebrews 5:11 - 6:8.

How long is it since the day you first believed?

With some Christians, all critiques; of any words, practices, beliefs, are always met with rejection and accusations of wrongdoing against the one attempting to show them, even when it is according to The Word.
But when they will do the same to others it is always valid and correct in their own eyes; even when they cannot substantiate their own words and actions from Scripture alone, and when what they do is shown to be contrary to The Word Of GOD.

The Psalmist rightly asks,
What man can live and not see death? Can he deliver his soul from the power of Sheol? [Selah. Psalm 89:48.

The LORD JESUS CHRIST Says,
"Truly, truly, I Say to you, if anyone keeps MY Word he shall never see death." John 8:51.

Here, to keep HIS Word means, attend carefully to in observance, to guard. As HE HIMSELF also Says,

..."And if anyone hears MY Sayings and does not keep them, I do not Judge him; for I did not Come to Judge the world, but to Save the world. "He who rejects ME, and does not receive MY Sayings, has ONE WHO Judges him; The Word I Spoke is what will Judge him at The Last Day. John 12:47-48.

As Scripture says, that when The FATHER again Brings The First-Born into the world (Hebrews 1:6 - 2:4), it shall not be as HIS First Coming in reference to sin, where HE took away the sin of the world for those who lived believing in HIM, Sanctified by The Offering of The Body Of JESUS; Saved By HIS Blood; then Through their living in obedience to GOD Through HIM; their Sanctification By The SPIRIT and faith in The Truth (2 Thessalonians 2:13-17), without which no one will see The LORD (Hebrews 12:14-15).

HE, to these, indeed proved to be The First-Born of many Brethren (Romans 8:28-30).

And HE shall Appear the Second Time for Salvation without sin, to those who have indeed lived as eagerly awaiting HIM (Hebrews 9:27-28).
But, Dealing Out Retribution to those who do not know GOD and to those who do not obey The Gospel Of our LORD JESUS.
Their paying the penalty of Eternal Destruction, away from The Presence Of The LORD, and from The Glory Of HIS Power (2 Thessalonians 1:3-12).

He who refuses The Word Of GOD, who knows not to live By The SPIRIT that their faith is greatly enlarged, and that in their living wherein the day by day Renewing of their inner man is being accomplished to the Perfection of love; so that the love of each one of them toward one another grows greater, but who judges themselves unworthy of Eternal Life through their repudiating The Word (Acts 13:44-46); whoever they are and whoever and whatever they were considered to be by other mere men; (because their is no partiality with GOD, Romans 2:1-16), they proved themselves to have lived blaspheming The HOLY SPIRIT, and did not understand they were doing so (Mark 3:29-30) because they could not hear correction, because they refused discipline and correction (Hebrews 12:7-8), and so, before GOD, proving themselves as illegitimate children.

We cannot live contrary to The GOD Breathed Word when we are told within it, by The LORD JESUS CHRIST Through The HOLY SPIRIT that this is what will Judge us at The Last Day.
Those who prove themselves stubborn in refusing to be corrected by The Word, choosing instead to believe what they themselves will believe and accept, who show themselves devoid of Godly Wisdom shall, according to The Word, perish; because The Word will testify against them.

Wisdom is protection, just as money is protection. But the advantage of knowledge is that wisdom preserves the lives of its possessors. Ecclesiastes 7:12.

But man in his pomp will not endure; he is like the beasts that perish.This is the way of those who are foolish, and of those after them who approve their words. [Selah.
As sheep they are appointed for Sheol; death shall be their shepherd; and the upright shall rule over them in the morning; and their form shall be for Sheol to consume, so that they have no habitation. But GOD will Redeem my soul from the power of Sheol; for HE will Receive me. [Selah.
Psalm 49:12-15.

So how can your belief possibly be right, unless The Word Of GOD shows it to be true?
Our beliefs as Christians are substantiated by The Word Of GOD alone.

Leslie:- Paul, why do you seek the approval of men?
And why do you feel a need to be everyone's correcter?
Proverbs 27:6 Wounds from a friend can be trusted, but an enemy multiplies kisses.

You have not made yourself a friend.
This is why people struggle very much to trust you.
It's not about accuracy or application of the Word it's about having head knowledge without the heart which is of far greater value.
That is what keeps you from gaining the love and respect of others.

It is enough of a challenge to mind one's own logs than to attempt to correct everyone else's, particularly if you don't know them and have not gained their love and respect.
First walk in their shoes and wash their feet... then expect nothing in return.

Matters of compromising the Word, watering down the Gospel, lack of Spiritual wisdom and discernment etc are things I do not take lightly and will answer for everything, particularly as a leader in the Body of Christ
Judgement is greatest for leaders who lead others astray and so I am convicted of the great need for accountability.

However, praise be to God the father of our beloved Savior that 'love covers a multitude of sins' and ' love fulfills the law'.

God knows the heart and every intention of a man... his Word and his presence in my life pierce sharper than a double edged sword.
And so I am in much better hands than you can ever imagine giving me counsel I have not requested.

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These were the last words of Leslie, with which in red letters were the words,

Sorry! SoulMate333 is not available to chat.

So here I will answer his words which he left without opportunity to be answered in the end of that discourse.
I will answer his accusations in them, I will show his blindness in them, I will show his arrogance in them in his self belief that he is in rightstanding before The LORD GOD ALMIGHTY, and I will show how he has ignored the words spoken to him throughout this discourse which corrected his misunderstanding of The Word Of GOD and which he still yet speaks here at the end in his blindness and self justification.

I will show he does not know the fear of The LORD, and shall do all by his own words and show them for what they truly are, according to and from The Word Of GOD.
All he has ignored throughout this discourse, even by his own admission.

It is no wonder he remains blind.
By his own words, in his replies, regardless of what was said to him; The Word shown to him and what he was replying to, or rather not replying to, Leslie shows himself to be a man who trusts in himself that he is righteous, and views others, in this instance it is me, with contempt.

I do not blindly accuse of this, but his own words throughout this discourse show it to be so.
And those with ears to hear and eyes to see shall recognise it.
Luke 18:9-14, Romans 14:10-12, Isaiah 66:5.

This man, Leslie, apart from repentance shall perish, as will all who believe in him, trust in his counsel and follow him in his understanding and example; no matter what they themselves will say in denying it, how they shall commend themselves and others they themselves shall commend by and in their own justification and judgement.

It is GOD Alone WHO Commends and Justifies. And we already have the evidence set before us, which is HIS Word, and not our own. John 12:44-50, Deuteronomy 18:18-19.

Leslie accuses me in my words and has constantly done so, regardless of my interpretation of Scripture and my attempting to correct from Scripture alone when his or any error is apparent according to The Word Of GOD.
His accusation to me is my being legalistic and loveless, self-righteous.

He objects to my showing to him and to any, any form of correction when I recognise, by GOD'S Grace to me, any error in understanding.

Yet in this I do not discount any correction for myself whenever correction is truly warranted.
My desire is to know GOD.
GOD Knows my heart.
Leslie does not know my heart.

The actual definition of being legalistic is: exhibiting strict adherence to The Law, rather than Its spirit.
This the Pharisees did, as well as making and applying their own rules and laws and insisting them being observed by the people even above observing GOD'S Law, and consequently was their not knowing justice and mercy and faithfulness.

The LORD JESUS Showed them their blindness, their heart, their errors; and they hated HIM for it, despite their claiming GOD as their FATHER. John 6:39-47, John 8:31-59.

Leslie's words and accusations to me here are purely from his own perception and his rejection of what I attempt to show him from GOD'S Word.

And though I have never met Leslie I observe his spirit in his words to recognise his spirit through his words and how he by them conducts himself towards others as a professing Christian.

By his own admission he does not carefully examine what I say, as we are Instructed to do according to The Word (1 Thessalonians 5:21, Isaiah 8:20, Matthew 7:15-20, Ephesians 5:9-11, 1 John 4:1-8), and yet he still judges and accuses as he does.
This shows no knowledge or application of wisdom.

His accusation of legalism and being loveless does not make his accusation against me founded upon any fact, but is only an accusation made from himself in order to reject and even insult the one attempting to reprove and correct him; which for my part is truly done for the purpose of Godly knowledge, training in Righteousness; that the man (who claims) to be Of GOD may be adequate, equipped for every Good work (2 Timothy 3:16-17).

Thus Says The LORD,
"Preserve justice and do Righteousness, for MY Salvation is about to Come and MY Righteousness to be Revealed...
Isaiah 56.

Yet in Leslie's own doing he himself is blind to the facts of what he himself, as are those who shall also blindly use such accusations towards others who attempt to speak from The Word, are actually themselves doing Spiritually.
There is no fear of The LORD in such a one.

By his own words, his is rejection by unfounded accusation in the attempt to justify himself and being determined to refuse any correction.
This is the spirit of one who knows not the humility required of GOD'S people.

For through The Grace Given to me I say to every man among you not to think more highly of himself than he ought to think; but to think so as to have sound judgement, as GOD Has Allotted to each a measure of faith.
For just as we have many members in one body and all the members do not have the same function, so we, who are many, are One Body In CHRIST, and individually members of one another.
And since we have Gifts that differ according to The Grace Given to us,...
Romans 12 (v3-6a).

I doubt, by his words to me here and from his words of over five years ago, and his rejection of correction by The Word, other than by anyone that he himself will consider worthy to correct him and will himself decide to accept, that Leslie understands what the Apostle Paul is writing here in Romans 12.

With Leslie, whilst accusing me as my not in my spirit; (spirit being the sentient element in a person, that by which they shall perceive, reflect, feel, desire), being in truth of a Christian according to GOD, in this he is proven wrong by his own words and conduct throughout this discourse when they are examined in The Light Of The Word Of GOD.

He needs to understand what faith in GOD means, and that in HIS Word what we are told, and of what obedience of faith truly means;

Now faith comes from hearing, and hearing by The Word Of CHRIST (GOD). Romans 10:17.

He needs to understand what the Psalmist says and means, for example;

How can a young man keep his way pure?
By keeping according to THY Word
With all my heart I have sought THEE;
Do not let me wander from THY Commandments.
THY Word I have treasured in my heart, that I may not sin against THEE.
Psalm 119:9-11.

He, and those like him need to comprehend what Paul means when he writes to Christians;

Do we then nullify The Law through faith?
May it never be!
On the contrary, we establish The Law.
Romans 3:31.

And he needs to understand what Peter says in his words, also writing in The SPIRIT, to those who are indeed walking uprightly;

Since you have in obedience to The Truth purified your souls for a sincere love of the Brethren, fervently love one another from the heart, for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but Imperishable, that is, through The Living and Abiding Word Of GOD...
1 Peter 1:13 - 2:8 (verses here 1:22-23).

And, of course, what The LORD JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF Says to those who rejected HIM;

"He who is Of GOD hears The Words Of GOD; for this reason you do not hear, because you are not Of GOD."
John 8:31-47 (here v 47).

Obedience of faith and living by every word that proceeds out of The Mouth Of GOD (Matthew 4:4) is not legalism in any way, shape or form, when, according to GOD we now, in The New Covenant In HIS Blood shall indeed establish The Law through faith.
This is because GOD HIMSELF Writes it upon the heart of the one who truly lives by faith in JESUS CHRIST; and is according to Prophecy, Jeremiah 31:33-34.

It is always to believe Scripture, unless one is inclined to being deceived by the devil and would dare to level the accusation at GOD HIMSELF in his refusal of HIS Word.

Leslie, who himself accuses of legalism is himself exhibiting a form of strict adherence to GOD'S Word, yet it is not in any way being in accordance with knowledge, but only by his own understanding and interpretation of it, rather than Its true interpretation, and subsequently is himself not knowing the Spirit of The Word in himself; and by this showing not his participation in the process of Sanctification By The SPIRIT and faith in The Truth.
(1 Thessalonians 2:13, 2 Thessalonians 2:13-17).

And this is shown in his own words to be undeniably so.

Though despite all that is shown here in light of his words he may yet still deny any wrongdoing because of his spirit, because humility is an essential requirement towards Godly repentance.

He professes himself to having a ministry, believing his understanding of Salvation, of Sanctification and The Word Of GOD is correct, even when it is shown and has been shown not to be because his spirit is shown to not being led by The SPIRIT Of GOD.
He just accuses of my complicating The Word, when the truth is he does not, cannot, at least for now, understand It.

He speaks of my ministry here on this site, but I do not see it as such, but rather my learning and desiring to share with other Christians with joy in The HOLY SPIRIT who desire the same.

Leslie accuses me with empty accusations of legalism, self-righteousness, and being loveless.
He does not know my heart and the desire of my heart.

But with this he shows no love in his own words; his words being the very opposite of love; because love does not brag, is not arrogant, does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong, does not rejoice in unrighteousness but rejoices only with The Truth.

So ultimately it is Leslie himself who does not perceive, reflect, feel, desire according to The Word Of GOD; according to The SPIRIT Of GOD.

The SPIRIT HIMSELF Bears Witness with our spirit that we are children Of GOD, and if children, heirs also, heirs Of GOD and fellow heirs with CHRIST, if indeed we suffer with HIM in order that we may also be Glorified with HIM...
Romans 8:16-17.

His accusation of legalism and being loveless has no genuine grounds, other than his own grounds for making such an accusation. That being from anger, malice, spite and frustration.

Always be wary of and never blindly accept the testimony of those who will be quick to speak and accuse, who themselves state they reject self-righteousness and legalism, and who will also determine themselves as being those who do not discriminate; and yet are shown to be those who do not, cannot substantiate all their words from Scripture alone, but who instead speak, in their blindness, contrary to GOD, WHO Judges with equity, WHO shows no partiality, WHO cannot lie.

Always test the spirits of men to see whether they are from GOD. Just as we are Instructed to do: 1 John 4:1-8.

"You will know them by their fruits," and these fruits are as is Written in Galatians 5:22-23, which do not themselves speak of works to justify themselves or others, but are fruit shown of what is truly in the heart, or not: The evidence of GOD'S Gracious Work in that heart.
Boasting is not profitable. And if a Christian boasts, he shall boast only of his infirmities and only in The LORD.

It is not good to eat much honey, nor is it glory to search out one's own glory.
Proverbs 25:27 (Jeremiah 9:23-24).

Live in the fear of The LORD always.

Mark 16:16, where It Is Written of what The LORD JESUS Says,
"He who has believed and has been Baptised shall be Saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.
These are words Spoken which speak much more than many may live understanding.

Here, to believe means to believe wholly; wholeheartedly in GOD Through JESUS CHRIST and in all HIS Word, and not how man himself may understand and interpret The Word but only and exactly how GOD Speaks and Gives the understanding to us Through The HOLY SPIRIT.

Accordingly, this shall mean that those who do believe shall be of the same mind and judgement; and made Complete, being as one In The LORD. John 17.

And to understand Baptism is to understand what Paul writes, for example, in Romans chapter 6.
That those who have been Baptised Into CHRIST JESUS have been Baptised Into HIS Death.
Therefore we have been buried with HIM through Baptism into death (of sin and the flesh), in order that as CHRIST was Raised from the dead Through The Glory Of The FATHER, so we too might walk in Newness of Life.
Not according to the flesh but The SPIRIT; and to The Unity Of The SPIRIT in the bond of Peace.
Nothing of the flesh, Galatians 5:19-21, but as One In CHRIST according to GOD.

Leslie here refuses this for his own ways and own commendations of himself and others, whilst reviling and accusing what he does not understand.

I do not, will not, do as he does and justify myself, but I bring his words to The Light Of GOD'S Word, GOD'S Truth, that all may be Manifested as having been Wrought In GOD, or not, John 3:19-21.
Just as my words shall be seen and be able to be examined according to the same, no partiality; just as is right and proper among all and any making a claim to Godliness.

Because we, as he seems to delight in doing, cannot justify ourselves.
Only GOD Is Just and Is The Justifier Of the one who has faith in JESUS; who live, believe and follow in the Apostles teaching; holding to no contradictions of it, Acts 2:42, in word and spirit.

I do this and look to do this, not as Leslie himself claims that I speak as I do, but because of my faith in GOD, my love of GOD and my absolute trust in HIS Word and desire to learn.

As I asked Leslie near the beginning here, which he either ignored, or skimmed over as he himself admits, regarding my words as being to him, 'the same redundancy,' when I asked him of GOD'S Will for me? GOD'S Purpose for me? Of what The LORD has shown to me and has told me what to pray for, spoken to me?
And in this I am not lying, nor am I mistaken.

Leslie said, "Paul, why do you seek the approval of men?"

The truth is, I do not.
Leslie himself accuses of this.
And if Leslie had read my words and the Scriptures I included throughout our discourse which bore witness to The Truth and the purpose of my heart in all my words towards him, to correct him, then he could not, in his own pomp and refusal to hear, have stated such a lie.
The evidence is in fact to the contrary and he even confirms this in his own words where he says,
"You have not made yourself a friend.
This is why people struggle very much to trust you.
It's not about accuracy or application of the Word it's about having head knowledge without the heart which is of far greater value.
That is what keeps you from gaining the love and respect of others."

To further answer this, I do not look to make myself a friend of those who refuse and blaspheme The Word Of GOD in their repudiating The Word Of GOD. And neither should any professing Christian.
Men Of GOD we read of and from in The Sacred Writings did not, and they were rejected, hated and even killed by those who believed they were doing service to GOD, but we're not.
Including The LORD JESUS HIMSELF and HIS Apostles.

That I will stand on The Word Of GOD, explain from The Word Of GOD, and will never bow down to and agree with any man who cannot prove my words, my understanding to be contrary to The Word Of GOD from The Word Of GOD only, just that I may be be on their good side, is clear by the rejection I regularly know, much in the same vein as Leslie is here towards me.

And I fully expect any man laying claim to be a follower of JESUS CHRIST to do the same, experience the same, according to GOD'S Will and HIS Holy Apostles and Prophets; regardless of whether it makes them unpopular to the many for it.
This, he has shown by his own words, he himself does not know to do.
I will never flatter any man for the sake of gaining advantage or for being "accepted."

I desire to and look to serve GOD only.

And his belief, and again in which he is greatly mistaken, where he says,
"It's not about accuracy or application of the Word it's about having head knowledge without the heart which is of far greater value..."

In this Leslie accuses me of head knowledge but of not holding, knowing, love.
Yet his words say he knows neither, just as my words are shown for what they are spoken from.

But, it is most certainly accuracy and correct application of The Word, because of love.
"If you love ME, you will keep MY Commandments. John 14:15.

THY Word is very Pure, therefore THY servant loves It. Psalm 119:140 (I even shared this with him here).

And Psalm 119:105-144, 1 Peter 2:1-3, Psalm 12:6-8.

His accusation of my not having the heart is merely an unknowing assumption from one who himself clearly does not have the love of GOD in himself, as I show, pointing out by words and the Scriptures shared throughout our discourse and also proven by his own words and attitude of his heart in them, which the love Of GOD will just not know to do.

Leslie in his words here declares of himself to be longsuffering, which is a trait of love (1 Corinthians 13:4).
But though he declares it of himself, his words here bear no witness of it.
I don't accuse him, but his own words testify against him.

Paul writes to us all, of giving no cause for offense in anything, in order that The Ministry Of GOD be not discredited, and our not receiving The Grace Of GOD in vain, of our walking, even in the most testing of times,

...in purity, in knowledge, in patience, in kindness, in The HOLY SPIRIT, in genuine love, in The Word Of Truth, in The Power Of GOD; by the weapons Of Righteousness for the right hand and the left...
2 Corinthians 6:6-7.

Leslie, in his words here shows to know nothing of these qualities.

He has refused to acknowledge The Word put to him, and he states to the one putting it to him and attempting to explain to him of it being 'the same redundancy.'
Though he looks to refuse and dismiss me, his disrespectful and disobedient spirit ultimately shows no reverence of The LORD and nought but disobedience towards GOD.

His own words show nothing of the fruit of The SPIRIT (Galatians 5:22-23), and yet in his own understanding he determines fruits as being of works, as he himself describes and here praises Bob for.
In this he does not recognise to understand James's words, James 2:18 - 3:18.

It is not works which prove our faith, but is our faith by our works; our acts and deeds, our words, always consistent with JESUS CHRIST and whenever not then our recognising to know Godly repentance.

Even an unbeliever will do good things, but will not know, according to GOD, to bridle the tongue; will not know the Sanctifying Work Of The SPIRIT to the Cleansing of the heart; because of their not knowing faith in JESUS CHRIST according to GOD.

Works do not, cannot save, but we shall know each one by their fruits: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against these things there is no Law.

Any may do 'good deeds', but when speaking contrary to the fruits of The SPIRIT, it truly shows the heart for what it is and their good deeds as dead works.
By The Fruit Of The SPIRIT, through these, because of these are our works done; it is in the heart and knows no hypocrisy.

Whereas, those whom The LORD JESUS Speaks and shows the example of, those who did not know to have what is the fulfillment of The Law within them; love, The LORD JESUS Speaks to them in Matthew 7:22-23 as HE does, despite their stating themselves all they did in HIS Name.

Any can do things, but for a Christian of many years, by observing works, as opposed to always knowing, wanting to and willingly, consistently, doing good deeds because of the love Of GOD being in them; because it has become their nature, through their having become partakers of Divine Nature, 2 Peter 1:1-11; and knowing benevolence to all, even their enemies, they shall most certainly perish because no sin can be in HIS Presence; and all unrighteousness is sin.

...Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.
And you know that HE Appeared in order to Take Away sins; and In HIM there is no sin...
1 John 3:4

"Whatever I Command you, you shall be careful to do; you shall not add to nor take away from it.
Deuteronomy 12:32.

Leslie, evidenced by his own words, does not understand to desire the Unity Of The SPIRIT, in that he does not know to do what Paul writes here in Ephesians 4:1-3,

I, therefore, the prisoner Of The LORD, entreat you to walk in a manner worthy of the Calling with which you have been Called, with all humility and gentleness, with patience, showing forebearance to one another in love, being diligent to preserve The Unity Of The SPIRIT in the bond of Peace...

But instead of being without hypocrisy and looking to align all my words in accordance with this, and instead of refusing, rightly accusing and showing from The Word Of GOD alone where I am wrong if I am wrong as he himself maintains, he instead believes that he is justified in his mocking, ignoring, refusing and denying all I say, just because, as he says, he does not know me personally.
But this is of course completely wrong.

But I do know him, by his own words and by his reactions to The Word Of GOD.
By these things I know him, having attempted to show to him for his correction what The Word Of GOD States; and all according to Scripture, and his rejection of it.

And he is shown in his own words, his reactions, his refusal to listen to what was attempted to be shown to him, his self justification and his own justification of others, here namely Bob, and yet being blind to what he himself says and states which is wholly contrary to such as,

And also, as those who have been Chosen Of GOD, Holy and Beloved, put on a heart of compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience; bearing with one another, and forgiving each other, whoever has a complaint against anyone; just as The LORD Forgave you, so also should you.
And beyond all these things love, which is the perfect bond of unity.
And let The Peace Of CHRIST Rule in your hearts, to which you were indeed Called in One Body; and be thankful.
Let The Word Of CHRIST richly dwell within you, with all wisdom teaching and admonishing one another with Psalms, hymns, Spiritual songs, singing with thankfulness in your hearts to GOD.
And whatever you do in word or deed, all in The Name Of The LORD JESUS CHRIST, giving thanks Through HIM to GOD The FATHER.
Colossians 3:12-17.

But, if not Chosen Of GOD then it stands that a man will not know to do these things and shall refuse to be corrected according to what is Written.
We are Chosen Of GOD because we are faithful. Revelation 17:14.
"Many are Called, but few Chosen."

Love is kind, but Leslie shows no knowledge of kindness according to GOD, but rather determining himself to be right and refusing whatever will contradict him and his own understanding.
Even though it is The Word Of GOD which he himself claims faith in, but is just only as he himself will see it.
This is for no man to do, and no man Of GOD shall do so.

Which brings us on to the fact that love does not brag and is not rash.
This means love will not know rhetorical embellishments in extolling one's self excessively, or others to whom partiality is shown; and these preferences being solely because they will agree with what he himself believes being only according to themselves of all which is good and acceptable and perfect; because they are of the same mind as him, even though it is in truth contrary to JESUS CHRIST, HIS Apostles teaching and all The Word Of GOD.

We are not to exceed what is Written and be puffed up, one against another, 1 Corinthians 4:6.
Yet this, he unknowingly does, as does Bob whom he defends.

Knowledge makes arrogant but love edifies, 1 Corinthians 8:1, and yet Leslie clearly knows neither being in accordance with GOD.
His own words here, how and what he speaks, his understanding of Scripture in how he explains the verses he uses, shows that not even his knowledge is in accordance with The Truth of Scripture, but is of a strange and varied teaching; one which convinces its followers that they are righteous, regardless of their heart and conduct.

Leslie goes forth hastily to strive, because he believes something of himself, and yet when challenged by The Word Of GOD he has no reply and so does not reply and even does not acknowledge what has been put to him from The Word.
No man can do this and live. No man can do this.

These are not blind, groundless, spiteful, prideful accusations from me as may be the accusation of him and those who are unknowing like him; but only reply from The Word to what his own words show and have shown throughout this discourse.

This man is in need of repentance or he shall certainly perish.

He is a man wise in his own eyes.
I myself do not state it from my own self, but his words in Light Of The Word Of GOD determines it to be.

I have attempted, patiently, to show him his errors for the purpose of repentance that he does not perish, and this is because of love.
This Leslie, is what love does.
This Leslie, is why the FATHER Sent The SON into the world and Gives The HOLY SPIRIT to those who believe in HIM to obey HIM. Acts 1:7-8.

Yet Leslie has, because of my words in return questioned my mental well-being, upheld his own judgement in how he himself sees everything, asked questions which had no bearing on the words shared, but which I answered anyway, and then didn't even acknowledge my answers.
He didn't acknowledge what I was attempting to say.
He has ignored The Word put to him to justify himself.
And he has arrogantly stated that in my words to him I am seeking his approval.

He ends the discourse, again as he himself chooses to speak and then leaves no place for further correction, which, truth be told, he knew would come. It would have come, and this is it.

During his words he, taking offence at me, says of who made me a corrector?
He failed to answer my questions to him of what is GOD Showing me? What are my prayers to GOD? What is GOD'S Purpose for me in this life? What has The LORD Said to me? What has happened to me since the day I first believed and since that day?

In his words he refuses to acknowledge and accept the truth of Scripture and of GOD'S Purpose; that to each one of us who will truly believe, Grace is Given according to the measure of CHRIST'S Gift (Ephesians 4:7-16).

Truly, despite his mocking and accusations I count myself as nothing. GOD Knows.
Despite Leslie's mocking and accusations, which stem from his own pride and arrogance, GOD Knows.

GOD Is All and HE Is my Everything.

HE has and is, from very early on in my walk shown me the disunity between all who profess to being Christian.
The many denominations and various teachings; strange and varied teachings, so that today HIS Church is as a scattered flock.
The LORD desires reformation. And HE HIMSELF shall gather all HIS people from where they have been scattered.

To Leslie and those like him, I remind,
The LORD Says, "You shall not kill," this means also to slay with the tongue.
This also means the inward disposition to hate. And to hate includes anger, to detest; by extension to be loveless.
Matthew 5:20-22, Matthew 24:10-13.

The LORD Says, "You shall not bear false witness," this means we shall not falsely accuse any.
It means we shall not judge according to our own determination and understanding, but we are to judge with Righteous judgement; that is, according to The Word Of GOD, according to actual facts, not lies, as The Word Speaks and not holding to any partiality; according to the facts as are; not as we will choose ourselves to see or understand them.

It means our being just, being equitable in character or act, objectively or subjectively for or against according to The Word Of GOD only; showing no partiality.
Proverbs 17:15, Deuteronomy 1:16-18.

It means not to utter falsehoods in giving testimony, not to testify falsely, not to bear false witness.
This he is doing with me here and I have no doubt shall do with any who do not agree with him but who will attempt to show him where he is in error according to The Word Of GOD and who will not appease him in agreeing to disagree and to just move on without matters being resolved according to GOD.

GOD'S Perfect Word enlightens the eyes.
Psalm 19.

To finish, as I said at the beginning, I show here the words which were spoken over five and a half years ago at the point at which the group, Elijah's Prayer, was suddenly disabled, which conflicts with Leslie's own account he gives here as to how it happened and why.
And who was speaking at that time.

Bob:- Paul----> You wrote---->"You cannot recognise sin, Leslie. That much is evident. As also is your pride and arrogance. You hate correction. The fact my words are words you cannot hear is not something to boast of, they’re Scripture."

Bob:- Brother, your words are words of a man commenting on Scripture just like any commentator. Pleases do not imply that they are Scripture. You might want to correct your error!

Bob:- Why did you block me from posting in the forum?

This was my reply to Bob on notes,

Paul:- Firstly Bob, I have not here recently blocked you. I will look at it. Secondly, my statement you here take objection to, you misunderstand what I am saying. Scripture is mine, The Word Of GOD is mine, By Grace through faith. Much as Paul here claims the Gospel being my Gospel, Romans 2:16, Romans 16:25. And in how I write, if you can show my words which contradict Scripture, then please show it to me, that I may repent of it.

After I posted this, the page changed and came back,
Oops! This group has been disabled.

Ultimately GOD Knows and Sees all. And we shall all give account to HIM.

Oh how I love THY Law!
It is my meditation all the day
THY Commandments make me wiser than my enemies,
For they are ever mine.
Psalm 119:97-98.