#1 FFA rapid player quits 4pc due to lag

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rojitto

First of all don't listen to the title, is just a joke, we can't let radon be #1 so easily! The point of this post is complaining about the lag, but to not make it so boring i will touch another subjects like rating system, starting positions and at the end i will analyze a little bit game 8 of the FFA/Solo w4pcc 2022.

https://www.chess.com/variants/4-player-chess/game/28684822/271/1

At the beginning Justin flags, not due to the server this time, but he always does.

Later i get disconnected and it turns out that im not the only one, what a surprise! 3 players disconnecting at the same time, and the only reason because yellow won it was because it wasn't his turn.

I love the game and i think i spent more time in 4pc than in regular chess since i started playing in 2020. Is really heartbreaking to not find high rated queues in FFA, im forced to play with players with a rating difference of 700+ points, and thanks to the horrendous solo scoring system i cant play what i want, i have to be overcautiously and boring because these players can suicide or do something dumb anytime.

Like i said the only reason because im not quitting 4pc is because i enjoy it, most of the times. 

But in the very rare case that lichess adds 4pc, you know where to find me.

About the setups i find relatively obvious the public opinion and I agree, omatamix is boring, bring back the old setup (which is amazingly hided right now)

The w4pcc was won by Icystun in 8 games, it was a cool match in general but not the most exciting one in terms of quality play. Still game #3 was extremely chaotic and fun, that may deserve a single post for himself if i am bored enough.

Game #8 contains a lot of cuestionable decisions and savage moves

Scores: jbolea 2, icystun 2, vrdtmr 2, rojitto 1. First to 2.25 wins

Game starts quietly with a queen trade between yellow and green, and i decide to play Nm9 which is not the best move but i was playing in a similar way during the semis and finals. The main point was of course showing the other players that im green

a) Red to play.

b) Green to play.

Here i made one of the worst moves i ever played. Qxe8?? allowing Qe7 yellow promotes and my queen is gone. This is very simple, in these kind of endgames the king and queen need to remain very close. I had a clear advantage moves ago, after making some bad moves i felt pretty useless and i took the pawn so careless. After taking if i manage to play Qk7 blocking the yellow pawn the game is very close to winning, i didnt miss the secuence that happened in the game but i thought it wasnt too bad due to my point lead.

I totally forgot about the triple checks, giving yellow really good chances to catch up on points. Red got stalemated later, very good for me because i dont have a queen to steal some checkmate, and the triple check option disappears.

c) Yellow to move and win.

I was very mad at blue for not forcing a draw when yellow gave up the checks, still i shouldn't put myself in this situation, where my only chance to win is by stalemate. I realized after the game, after yellow got me on points, i volunteerely could offer double checks to blue so he passes yellow, Icy is the player with the most chances of stalemating me due to move order, an also because he is the best player he will find the idea to not give the game to blue and force a 9th game.

I hope the post was enjoyable, i could do it in spanish but y'all too lazy.

icystun

a) Qh12+

b) Qf4++? (Qa10+ allows Ql7+) Blue can always play Ql7 and help yellow promote so game will always go on.

c) Ql10+ happy.png

For me this endgame was a success because I know I am playing with house money. Either win or new game. In a way it was a mistake to reveal your identity easily I think. Not because you don't want to be known later, but because you make it easier to identify other players.

 

I used this strategy in previous games of weakening my material a lot, but keeping points in a good range, so that players are forced to concede ground on basis of losing 1v1. You can get a superqueen, untouchable! 

Radon
rojitto wrote:

First of all don't listen to the title, is just a joke, we can't let radon be #1 so easily! 

Drat

rojitto
icystun wrote:

a) Qh12+

b) Qf4++? (Qa10+ allows Ql7+) Blue can always play Ql7 and help yellow promote so game will always go on.

c) Ql10+ . 

For me this endgame was a success because I know I am playing with house money. Either win or new game. In a way it was a mistake to reveal your identity easily I think. Not because you don't want to be known later, but because you make it easier to identify other players.

 

I used this strategy in previous games of weakening my material a lot, but keeping points in a good range, so that players are forced to concede ground on basis of losing 1v1. You can get a superqueen, untouchable! 

b) Qf4++ and any move which doesn't hang my queen is fine i guess. The question was actually for screen #3, the rook sac to eliminate red queen, i can miss it and game goes on anyway.

 

I dont know your strategies in previous championships but in this one seems like you had almost everything under control. Since game 4 i was able to know who you were but i was constantly panicking beacuse Jose won 2 games early on.

I like the "superqueen" definition, the only game that i won was because of it, unconsciously.

About revealing my identity i didn't really care until last game, making good moves was the priority, but you have a good point.

Congrats!

Grathieben

Sad news. True facts. Nice knowing you rojitto. 

Darksquareman
Radon wrote:
rojitto wrote:

First of all don't listen to the title, is just a joke, we can't let radon be #1 so easily! 

Drat

You have already been in the 1st spot. 

Darksquareman

About the championship, did anyone know that Jcross didn't play in the first semi? And that Luke subbed himself in even though lazy imp was there, willing to play, before the match?

ChessMasterGS

1. Jerry forfeited due to not showing up (please correct me if this is wrong)

2. Jeremy had forfeited due to quitting beforehand, so he couldn’t re-enter. (Again, please correct me if I am wrong)

I am not sure why Luke subbed himself in; even as the TD it seems weird, but this is the best explanation I can make as a spectator

Radon
ChessMasterGS wrote:

1. Jerry forfeited due to not showing up (please correct me if this is wrong)

2. Jeremy had forfeited due to quitting beforehand, so he couldn’t re-enter. (Again, please correct me if I am wrong)

I am not sure why Luke subbed himself in; even as the TD it seems weird, but this is the best explanation I can make as a spectator

 

Liquidfyre was away on holiday and Luke was seed number 4 in that qualifying bracket.

ChessMasterGS

Ah, nvm then

Darksquareman

I just think its weird that luke didnt let imp play. Imp forfeited that semi, but he still should be an available sub for another semi if he is willing to play. Luke seemed to think that imp forfeiting one semi was equivalent to forfeiting the entire championship. But idk, of course, it doesnt matter anymore.

fourplayerchess

69.r

spacebar

It appears the Leaderboard job which runs every 20 minutes is causing disconnects. We've changed it to run only run every 3 hours for now, until we can fix the problem.

carlosgabriel1234
Radon wrote:
rojitto wrote:

First of all don't listen to the title, is just a joke, we can't let radon be #1 so easily! 

Drat

lol

spacebar

Back in 2017 I was hooked on 4PC but unhappy because the app was so limited.

I thought about doing 4PC for lichess, but after about 30 seconds it occurred to me that I really really didn't wan't half of the 400 of us 4players on another site, that would just be bad for all of us, matchmaking takes long enough as is, it's better for all of us if we're on in the same place.

Chesscom already had 4PC so I joined and never thought about it again.

spacebar

Not to mention that @battlemind24, the father of 4PC, which was his hobby project, approached both lichess and chesscom for a collaboration. Thibault told him rather rudely to get lost, but Erik welcomed him.

ChessMasterGS

Very funny how you care more about my lost rating than I do. But the fact is that we got caught in a lag spike that happens only every 3 hours. 

spacebar

it's every 12h

Indipendenza

And again, another game ruined by the server. Disconnected for something like 20 sec. I never flag in games with increment more than 1, easy to check with my historical data. So it's fkg unfair. 

https://www.chess.com/variants/4-player-chess/game/28797940

Indipendenza

Have just lost another blitz because of a) lag (but Ok, I can cope) and b) several disconnections, that made me lose about 20 sec.

It's terribly unfair.

I estimate to about 25 games where I was clearly winning and that were lost because of the server.

When will this problem be solved once for all?!