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King and guard vs. king should be a win for the guard and king
Sep 23, 2020
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MISTER_McCHESS wrote:
kingsindianattack7 wrote:
King and guard vs. king should be a win for the guard and king
agreed,
There is a game that was recorded when queens could only move 1 sq in any direction and it was a K+Q/K Endgame, and K+Q Won
I did some analysis and now I'm not sure. Do you think you could post the game or maybe some of your own analysis before I change it?
aronian22 wrote:
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King + Witch + Rook pawn vs King= Draw
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Interesting theory!
What does this one mean? A pawn on a file with a rook?
And if that's a draw, then:
King + Witch + (any) pawn vs King = Is also a Draw?
Sep 24, 2020
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vickalan wrote:
aronian22 wrote:
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King + Witch + Rook pawn vs King= Draw
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Interesting theory!
What does this one mean? A pawn on a file with a rook?
And if that's a draw, then:
King + Witch + (any) pawn vs King = Is also a Draw?
I would think that any pawn other than rook pawn wins for the King + Witch + any pawn. This is because you can just move your witch around to make zugzwang.
Sep 24, 2020
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PandasAwesome wrote:
vickalan wrote:
aronian22 wrote:
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King + Witch + Rook pawn vs King= Draw
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Interesting theory!
What does this one mean? A pawn on a file with a rook?
And if that's a draw, then:
King + Witch + (any) pawn vs King = Is also a Draw?
I would think that any pawn other than rook pawn wins for the King + Witch + any pawn. This is because you can just move your witch around to make zugzwang.
Yes, in most cases, the side with the witch can waste a tempo in a normally drawn position.
With a rook pawn though, it doesn't really matter because there is no possible winning position and no use for the witch.
With rook-pawns, the stronger side wins if the opponents king is not within the square of the pawn or if the stronger sides king can reach a key square. For example, whites a-pawn has the key squares b7 and b8.
It's true that having a witch does not help your rook-pawns promote though.
How about K+N+N vs K+W?
Sep 24, 2020
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captaintugwash wrote:
How about K+N+N vs K+W?
Gotta be a draw, the witch can sacrifice itself every turn, since 2 knights vs. king is draw.
Sep 24, 2020
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how about K + Q vs K + G + B + N? A lot of pieces but could be interesting theory.
PandasAwesome wrote:
captaintugwash wrote:
How about K+N+N vs K+W?
Gotta be a draw, the witch can sacrifice itself every turn, since 2 knights vs. king is draw.
The witch doesn't have to be captured.
I mean, I'm 99% sure it's theoretically possible to force checkmate, but the question is can it be done fast enough.
PandasAwesome wrote:
how about K + Q vs K + G + B + N? A lot of pieces but could be interesting theory.
Well the queen obviously isn't winning. It's either a draw or a win for black.
Sep 24, 2020
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captaintugwash wrote:
PandasAwesome wrote:
captaintugwash wrote:
How about K+N+N vs K+W?
Gotta be a draw, the witch can sacrifice itself every turn, since 2 knights vs. king is draw.
The witch doesn't have to be captured.
I mean, I'm 99% sure it's theoretically possible to force checkmate, but the question is can it be done fast enough.
Wanna play a game with K + N + N vs K + W so we can find out if it's actually a draw?
The reason K+N+N vs K is a theoretical draw is because white can't waste a tempo. He basically stalemates black trying to checkmate him. But if black has a witch, he isn't stalemated, giving white the extra tempo necessary to force checkmate. But there's the 50-move rule to take into account.
I doubt I could play the endgame accurately enough to give us an answer to the question.
This forum is for bulldog ending theory. You can find all the ending results below. All results are from the perspective of the first player.
King + Witch vs King= Draw
King + Rook vs King + Witch= Draw
King + Rook vs King+ Guard= Draw
King + Witch + Rook pawn vs King= Draw
King + Queen vs King + Guard= Draw
King + Knight + Knight vs King + Witch= Draw
King + Bishop + Bishop vs King + Guard= Draw
King + Knight + Knight vs King + Witch= Draw
King + Queen vs King + Guard + Knight + Knight= Draw
King + Pawn vs King + Witch= Draw (Unless the opposing king is behind the pawn.)
King + Queen vs King + Witch= Win
King + Guard vs King= Win
King + Time Thief + Guard vs King= Win
King + Time Thief + Pawn vs King= Win
King + Time Thief + Queen vs King= Win
King + Time Thief + Knight vs King= Win
King + Time Thief + Bishop vs King= Win
King + Time Thief + Rook vs King= Win
King + Joker vs King= Win
King + Bishop + Bishop + Witch vs King + Guard= Win
King + Bishop + Bishop vs King + Witch= Win
King + Hunter vs King= Win
King + Witch + non rook pawn vs King= Win
King + Guard + Bishop + Knight vs King + Queen= Win
King + Guard vs King + Witch= Win
King + Guard + Guard vs King= Unlikely but a win
King + Time Thief vs King= Win with conditional check, draw without.
Did I miss any? Are my assessments wrong? Let me know and I'll fix it, I want this to be the most accurate place to find bulldog endgame theory.