CHEATING in chess!

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Avatar of Mateusz_Dubinski

Hello Chess-lifers :)

 

I am very curious what is your opinion.

A couple weeks ago a GM from Georgia, Gaioz Nigalidze, was caught in using his phone (with a chess engine) in a toilet during a game against Tigran Petrosyan at Dubai Open.

He was eventually banned for, I am not sure, one tournament probably.

Is that enough?

Avatar of onethousandqueens

no, because cheating is really bad

 

Avatar of Mateusz_Dubinski

Yes but ECU President said it was enough.

Avatar of St3in

I think cheating is more of an issue than we think -- I think if someone gets caught they should have a 1 year ban first time and lifetime ban if there is a second occurance.  -- You could also have the rounds be like a standardized test -- turn all phones off and in at the beginning of the round -- when game is finished you may have your phone back until next round starts.  

Avatar of Mateusz_Dubinski

Why a year first? Everyone knows that using phone during the game is forbidden. Especially GMs. In my opinion lifetime ban for official FIDE tournaments.

If every chess player knows that even one time can end his whole career he will never cheat!

On the other hand FIDE should create appropriate principles.

 

Why do I think that lifetime ban is only possible way? Because using "a help" can kill the game that makes me happy.

Avatar of St3in

one year first time -- hard to make a living if you cant make money for a year -- if you have tourneys that go for a whole year - every tourney would be aware of your issue - but I do not like going immediately to a year as I think a world of second chances is better than one mistake and your done.  Also I am thinking as a coach of younger persons and people in their teens make stupid discisions sometimes and I would like to let them learn from them -- a full grown adult should know better.

Avatar of Dale00007

I havent played standard tournament for ages, so I am not sure if I can have proper opinion on this, but overall I agree with St3in. It should be similar to doping in other sports. If you are cought than you get penalty, which you will feel, but you can still go back at some time (hopefully more clever).

Avatar of Mateusz_Dubinski

I agree with you at all but he was a Grand Master. The man who is admired by millions of players. It is not "stupid decision", it is something bigger. He did it intentionally without any doubt.

I understand your reasons and I can agree that if a player is caught first time - one year ban as a warning. But second time should cause a lifetime ban.

My opinion is so strict because the cheating is very dangerous for chess and chess players as well. In Poland we have a saying (maybe there is the similar one in your languages): "Once a cheater always a cheater".

Doping in other sports differs a little. It helps you to win but not "scores" a goal instead of you. In chess if you use an engine you're unstoppable.

Avatar of Mateusz_Dubinski

Anyway it's very interesting discussion :)

That was my point!

Avatar of Dale00007

But can you really efficiently use the engine during tournament? If you run to toillet each 3rd move than it will raise attention. So is it enough to go just once and analize only that one critical position? Will it really win the game?

Avatar of Mateusz_Dubinski

at GMs' level, of course. But what are we talking about. Help or not help, it does not matter. Cheating (in any case) destroys sport.

Avatar of VishnuReturns

fcourse, cheating is the worst thing in chess and i hate people who cheat!

but i wonder how can a Grand Master be this much cruel to chess?

he is really destroying chess! Undecided

Avatar of sreeragmeppadath

i am just 1520 fide rated.But i know this simple rule and i wont bring mobile on hall.

Avatar of Mateusz_Dubinski

On the other hand there is a difference between knowing an obvious rule and breaking it intentionally, don't you think?

Avatar of sreeragmeppadath

yes.a grandmaster should not do such things...He must be banned atleast 3 year(i believe that thats too not enough....)

Avatar of mariaa2

Cheating is awful. I do not understand how someone who does that (especially Grand Master who should be purely fair) can collect prize that was won thanks to an engine's help. I couldn't.

I am WCM and know many titled players. If someone cheated he couldn't count on other chess players' trust. Obviously apart from an official ban.