Could some evolutionist post how the Solar System(how they think) it was made?

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amrugg

And we'll try to discuss it.

 

LhcAndrewB

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I think it's been discussed before but... I guess we can do it here tongue.png

stephen_33

https://www.space.com/35526-solar-system-formation.html

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Approximately 4.5 billion years ago, gravity pulled a cloud of dust and gas together to form our solar system. While scientists aren't certain of the exact nature of the process, observations of young stellar systems combined with computer simulations have allowed them to develop three models of what could have happened so many years ago.

Birth of the sun

A massive concentration of interstellar gas and dust created a molecular cloud that would form the sun's birthplace. Cold temperatures caused the gas to clump together, growing steadily denser. The densest parts of the cloud began to collapse under its own gravity, forming a wealth of young stellar objects known as protostars. Gravity continued to collapse the material onto the infant object, creating a star and a disk of material from which the planets would form. When fusion kicked in, the star began to blast a stellar wind that helped clear out the debris and stopped it from falling inward.

Although gas and dust shroud young stars in visible wavelengths, infrared telescopes have probed many of the Milky Way Galaxy's clouds to reveal the natal environment of other stars. Scientists have applied what they've seen in other systems to our own star.

After the sun formed, a massive disk of material surrounded it for around 100 million years. That may sound like more than enough time for the planets to form, but in astronomical terms, it's an eye blink. As the newborn sun heated the disk, gas evaporated quickly, giving the newborn planets and moons only a short amount of time to scoop it up.

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PyriteDragon

This article is flawed because it ignores facts presented in the Bible. Since the Bible says the earth is 10,000 years old and “scientists” (who have been completely discredited by popular vote) say the earth is billions of years, there is a conflict of interest (yes, both ideas are very interesting), which means that the word of God is correct, as always. Also, it’s impossible for humans to have lived for billions of years, only approximately 9,997 years makes sense IMO (my opinion is 99.999% factually correct). Plus, I don’t know why this is so controversial, because it’s obvious that a book that says the book is correct must be correct. As an old Yiddish proverb says, “for example is not proof.”

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Sorry for being a troll, but I was having fun. I won’t make another troll post if people get really annoyed by this post.

amrugg

So, a big cloud of gas collapsed forming the Sun. Maybe that could work, but if that's true, we got a nice star, that doesn't have huge superflares. And then, how did the earth get here? P.S. To this day, the best Solar "twin" has superflares big enough to destroy the earth. And most stars are red dwarfs, which would lock the earth in place, so it wouldn't rotate, if it got close enough to heat the earth.

stephen_33
amrugg wrote:

So, a big cloud of gas collapsed forming the Sun. Maybe that could work, but if that's true, we got a nice star, that doesn't have huge superflares. And then, how did the earth get here? P.S. To this day, the best Solar "twin" has superflares big enough to destroy the earth. And most stars are red dwarfs, which would lock the earth in place, so it wouldn't rotate, if it got close enough to heat the earth.

Firstly, do you know how to search for information online? Secondly, what source do you have for the claim 'the best Solar "twin" has superflares big enough to destroy the earth'? That's news to me!

"most stars are red dwarfs" - again, never heard such a thing, so a reputable source for that would be appreciated. The fact is, the Sun is described as a main-sequence star of a kind that's very numerous in our galaxy.

By reputable, I don't mean a creationist website.

LhcAndrewB

Why can't we say the same to you? No Evolutionist/athiest/secular (what ever you want to be called) websites?

Elroch

Science is independent of nationality, race, politics, and all except the daft sorts of religion that are contrary to empirical fact.

amrugg

If you want something reputable, then buy the What You Aren't Being Told About Astronomy series.

I. Mean. It.

amrugg

P.S. How did all the water get here? Surely aliens didn't put it there, right?  

amrugg

And another thing: what's bad about creationist websites? Do you think they would lie?

PyriteDragon
amrugg wrote:

And another thing: what's bad about creationist websites? Do you think they would lie?

Yes.

LhcAndrewB

Why? Aren't you being biased?

amrugg

And the Bible says not to lie.

stephen_33

Some creationist websites are quite shameless in the way they distort & misrepresent scientific findings.

The misrepresentation of the discovery of biological material in dinosaur bones is a case in point. Creationists immediately jump on this as confirmation that the conventional dating of fossils must be wrong & such dinosaurs cannot be more than a few thousand years old. But the paleontologist who made the discovery is quite clear that the dating of the bones remains unchanged.

What's changed is our understanding of the durability of biological material in ancient fossilised bone remains.

stephen_33
amrugg wrote:

If you want something reputable, then buy the What You Aren't Being Told About Astronomy series.

I. Mean. It.

Are you here because you have a sincere desire to broaden your understanding of Cosmology, the birth of stars & the formation of planetary systems, or simply to discredit all scientific knowledge regarding the age of the Earth & the diversity of life on it?

MainframeSupertasker

Well, i thought you wanted a source, and he gave one, it probably contains what you're talking about.

stephen_33
MainframeSupertasker wrote:

Well, i thought you wanted a source, and he gave one, it probably contains what you're talking about.

First of all he refers to 'buying' the series & I have no intention of forking out good money for what I suspect is little more than creationist propaganda & second, when I search for that series this is what I get...

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stephen_33

The reason that some of the finest minds on the planet accept that our Solar System is about 4.6 billion years old & the Universe much older, is because the best evidence very strongly guides us to that conclusion, not because they have some kind of 'ancient Universe' ideology.

And the order of the planets in our Solar System is puzzling because we now know that there're distant planetary systems in which very large planets are very close to their stars. I think current thinking is that Jupiter had an enormous influence on the early Solar System & caused the rocky planets to swing in closer to the Sun.

A question for creationists: If a purposeful deity had created the Solar System as we now see it, why would they have allowed the asteroid belt to exist? We know that large chunks of rock from that region sometimes impact with the inner planets, including Earth. A sufficiently large asteroid could cause a major extinction event on our planet, including us!

Why would 'God' leave mankind on a planet in the equivalent of a Cosmic pinball machine?

Elroch

It's so that asteroids can have free will.